http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-0 ... l-out-ukra>>>
You need to know, for example, that accusations of a major Russian "invasion" of Ukraine appear not to be supported by reliable intelligence. Rather, the "intelligence" seems to be of the same dubious, politically "fixed" kind used 12 years ago to "justify" the U.S.-led attack on Iraq. We saw no credible evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq then; we see no credible evidence of a Russian invasion now.<<<
Daryl wrote:Once again my ignorance or naivety is showing. Several here seem to be saying that Russia is entitled to behave as it obviously is
That´s one of the problems Daryl, "obviously is", doesn´t include much of truth or reality.
The basic issue doesn´t even have anything to do with recent events, they just acted as triggers, the basic issue is that Ukraine as a state have been a showcase of a corrupt system messing up a nation which was created in a way similar to Yugoslavia, and we know how well that worked don´t we...
They´ve spent 23 years causing anger and resentment in the south and most eastern parts, mostly in areas with large portions of ethnic Russians, but not just those(there´s a joke going around that the ethnic poles hate EVERYONE else).
by encouraging Ukraine to become more aligned with the EU.
This is were your thinking gets into serious trouble. "Encouraging" between nations is NOT done by staging revolutions and coups.
That´s normally considered equal to starting war.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/n ... kraine.usaThe recent issues in regards to trade agreements, well, only a fullblooded idiot would choose the EU deal.
Ukraine overall is the poorest country in Europe, and the majority of its industry reflects that, it pretty much sucks bigtime.
There´s effectively noone in the EU interested in buying much of anything from the Ukraine, EXCEPT raw materials, which just happens to come from the Russian dominated areas. Where also the most modern industry that exists in the country is situated.
The trade deal that Russia offered was also not a totally exclusive thing, it did not try to force Ukraine to NOT trade with the EU, and it also offered deals to modernise Ukranian industry.
While the EU deal offered would essentially turn Ukraine into a mining and farming operation to supply EU with cheap raw materials, while severely hurting trade with Russia(Ukraines largest and by far most important tradepartner).
And their offered "compensation" was about 1% of that Russia offered, and shortterm benefits only rather than the longterm bonus the Russian offers of industrial investments.
Like i said, only an extremely stupid moron would choose the EU deal.
And Yanukovych, no matter how corrupt isn´t a complete idiot.
And "suddenly" there is one more "spontaneous popular uprising"... While less preplanned than the "orange revolution", it was no less instigated by outside forces.
And *wham*, coup happens and EU deal is signed within weeks.
At the same time as anti-Russian laws, blatantly aimed at the ethnic Russians of Ukraine.
How do you think Australia would act if there was a coup in Indonesia, sponsored by China, and putting in place an aggressively expansionist facist regime that says Australians are vermin to be -dealt with-?
(and that´s based on a quote from a Ukrainian nationalist politician part of the post coup government)
Sit by and do nothing at all? I doubt it.
And that´s even without a direct land connection and a BIG chunk of the population being part Australians and getting targeted with persecution by the new regime.
The fact that EU and NATO blatantly supports facism in Ukraine should be extremely embarassing, instead, there´s a propagandacircus to make it into a crusade for truth, justice and apple pie...
and, Mangy Fur the Smart Alick Spacecat.
