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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by gcomeau   » Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:32 pm

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Donnachaidh wrote:The link you provide has 23 mass shooting have been stopped by armed citizens in the last 22 years. According to CBS there have been 255 mass shootings in 2019 (as of August 5, 2019 9:34 PM; mass shooting defined as "any incident in which at least four people were shot, excluding the shooter"). That is less than 10% of the shootings of this year alone.


It's also a pretty creative use of the word "prevented" when you read the accounts. A lot of them are either:

1. Shooter opens fire and shoots multiple people.
2. Shooter runs away.
3. Someone with a gun later shoots him after pursuing him fleeing the shooting he hads already completed.

Or...

1. Shooter opens fire and shoots multiple people.
2. Someone with a gun eventually fires back.

In neither of those cases has a mass shooting been prevented. In one of those scenarios exactly squat has been prevented and in the other a mass shooting was at best interrupted.

They really need to mangle the meaning of the word to try to claim there is any significant number of incidents of a mass shooting being PREVENTED by armed citizens because that's just a ridiculously rare thing to happen. For obvious reasons.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by noblehunter   » Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:53 pm

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Dayton seems like the best possible case for an armed response and it still didn't prevent the mass shooting.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Daryl   » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:18 am

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As a mature aged white male I do have to salute the latest white supremacist action in Norway.
Apparently there is a big deal happening in the Islamic calendar at this time, end of Ramadan or whatever.
A white supremacist in Norway in his early 20s armed himself with two shotguns and a pistol, and went to the Mosque to have a massacre, having as usual posted his intentions on line just before.
Firstly he was a day early so there were only three people present when he shot out the glass doors. Secondly one of the three at 65 years of age, disarmed him, beat him up and sat on him until the police arrived. Apparently he unfortunately managed to kill his 17 year old step sister before he went to the Mosque.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:17 pm

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noblehunter wrote:Dayton seems like the best possible case for an armed response and it still didn't prevent the mass shooting.


The armed response certainly limited the carnage.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Daryl   » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:58 am

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We have just had another mass potential killing episode. A nutter who has a history of obsession with mass killings, launched into action in the Sydney CBD. With a 10 inch knife he killed a 24 year old woman, and wounded another, before being brought down by about eight strong male bystanders.
Their main weapon were a chair and a milk crate.
Prompting,
In a further dig at US gun-lovers, Australian satirical news outlet The Shovel published a story about the National Milk Crate Association calling to loosen open carry laws so Australians can arm themselves with milk crates in public places as a means of self-defence.


Sort of says it all really. This determined nutter would have obtained guns - assault rifles, shotguns whatever, in many societies.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:18 am

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Daryl wrote:As a mature aged white male I do have to salute the latest white supremacist action in Norway.
Apparently there is a big deal happening in the Islamic calendar at this time, end of Ramadan or whatever.
A white supremacist in Norway in his early 20s armed himself with two shotguns and a pistol, and went to the Mosque to have a massacre, having as usual posted his intentions on line just before.
Firstly he was a day early so there were only three people present when he shot out the glass doors. Secondly one of the three at 65 years of age, disarmed him, beat him up and sat on him until the police arrived. Apparently he unfortunately managed to kill his 17 year old step sister before he went to the Mosque.



It is indeed pathetic that a lone, "right wing terrorists" is so profoundly incompetent compared to Islamic terrorists. Here is a link to a Wikipedia article on one of the more recent episodes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Sri_ ... r_bombings

You are of course elated that 259 infidels were killed and over 500 were wounded.

I imagine that when Australia submits to unlimited Islamic immigration, you will eagerly submit to Dhimini status under Sharia law or even convert.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:20 am

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Daryl wrote:We have just had another mass potential killing episode. A nutter who has a history of obsession with mass killings, launched into action in the Sydney CBD. With a 10 inch knife he killed a 24 year old woman, and wounded another, before being brought down by about eight strong male bystanders.
Their main weapon were a chair and a milk crate.
Prompting,
In a further dig at US gun-lovers, Australian satirical news outlet The Shovel published a story about the National Milk Crate Association calling to loosen open carry laws so Australians can arm themselves with milk crates in public places as a means of self-defence.


Sort of says it all really. This determined nutter would have obtained guns - assault rifles, shotguns whatever, in many societies.



And America has plenty of examples of citizens, either armed or a few unarmed, disarming nut cases intent on mass murder. While at least 8 Australians are required to subdue a single nut case, a single American man can do so alone.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by gcomeau   » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:27 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:
Daryl wrote:We have just had another mass potential killing episode. A nutter who has a history of obsession with mass killings, launched into action in the Sydney CBD. With a 10 inch knife he killed a 24 year old woman, and wounded another, before being brought down by about eight strong male bystanders.
Their main weapon were a chair and a milk crate.



And America has plenty of examples of citizens, either armed or a few unarmed, disarming nut cases intent on mass murder. While at least 8 Australians are required to subdue a single nut case, a single American man can do so alone.


Which is why there are *so many less* high casualty shooting events in the United States like there are in all those other pansy countries. ESPECIALLY in Texas, in a Walmart, where they sell guns.

:roll:

Your ridiculous schoolboy fantasizing is so diametrically opposed to reality it's laughable.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by Daryl   » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:51 am

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Funny that. We have alarmists here who prophesy about that same Islamic take over. However back in the real world our Islamic population is stable at 2.6% (US 1.1% ). Many of these are about seventh generation, descended from the Afghan camel drivers who helped us map our dry continent. Overall they average about as religious as many nominal Christians.
I still remember sitting next to two full Burqua clad females on a 14 hour flight. Mumma said nothing but the teenaged daughter was listening to western rap and stuff like Eminen all the way on her iPod. What are the odds that she will be in a Burqua now, six years later?

TFLYTSNBN wrote:
Daryl wrote:As a mature aged white male I do have to salute the latest white supremacist action in Norway.
Apparently there is a big deal happening in the Islamic calendar at this time, end of Ramadan or whatever.
A white supremacist in Norway in his early 20s armed himself with two shotguns and a pistol, and went to the Mosque to have a massacre, having as usual posted his intentions on line just before.
Firstly he was a day early so there were only three people present when he shot out the glass doors. Secondly one of the three at 65 years of age, disarmed him, beat him up and sat on him until the police arrived. Apparently he unfortunately managed to kill his 17 year old step sister before he went to the Mosque.



It is indeed pathetic that a lone, "right wing terrorists" is so profoundly incompetent compared to Islamic terrorists. Here is a link to a Wikipedia article on one of the more recent episodes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Sri_ ... r_bombings

You are of course elated that 259 infidels were killed and over 500 were wounded.

I imagine that when Australia submits to unlimited Islamic immigration, you will eagerly submit to Dhimini status under Sharia law or even convert.
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Re: Guns, Guns Guns
Post by gcomeau   » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:55 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:
noblehunter wrote:Dayton seems like the best possible case for an armed response and it still didn't prevent the mass shooting.


The armed response certainly limited the carnage.


Which could have been far more limited if the shooter hadn't been able to get his hands on an AM-15 and 100 round drum magazines.

When are you going to figure out that "look, this one time we put the fire out after only HALF the house burned down! Success!!!" isn't an argument in favor of letting idiot children play with gasoline and matches?
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