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Re: Son of GOD EXISTS
Post by Imaginos1892   » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:53 pm

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Exidor wrote:Further quotes will be following your user ID in actual quotes, as I'm having issues with some of the coding here...

Placing multiple quotes in a post is very simple. Click on 'Post a reply' at upper right and start typing. When you want to quote from another post:

1. Scroll down to the desired previous post
2. Highlight the part you want to quote
3. Click 'Quote Exidor' (or whatever username) at the top of that post

The highlighted text will be placed after the cursor, properly enclosed in 'quote' and '/quote' HTML commands for the selected user.

I had trouble with quotes copied from Mac TextEdit. I discovered that the double-quotes around the username had been transformed into open-double-quote and close-double-quote, which are NOT 0x22. This confused the web site's posting mechanism.
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There is no shortage of people convinced they can create the perfect world. Trouble is, they all start out by fucking up this one.
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Re: Son of GOD EXISTS
Post by Exidor   » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:56 pm

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Annachie wrote:For obvious reasons, as you seem to actually be religious and not a con man.


Thank you.
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Re: Son of GOD EXISTS
Post by Exidor   » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:00 pm

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Imaginos1892 wrote:Placing multiple quotes in a post is very simple.


Yes - simple enough for me to screw up and lose patience with myself. >laughter<
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Re: Son of GOD EXISTS
Post by smr   » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:51 pm

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbiS6fWr1Kg

An Atheist scientist verses a Cambridge Professor. (1st 6 minutes but I watched the entire video!)
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Re: Son of GOD EXISTS
Post by Imaginos1892   » Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:29 pm

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Well, I saw a distinguished-looking gent with a smooth British accent prop up a bunch of straw-men and set them on fire. I listened to him cite one authority figure after another. Has he never heard of argumentum ad verecundiam? Does he not know the Ancient Greeks called bullshit on that logical fallacy 2,500 years ago?

What I did not hear was one piece of evidence, or one logical deduction based on evidence.

Ravi Zacharias wrote:Has anyone provided a proof of God’s inexistence?

Has anyone provided any evidence of your god’s existence, Ravi? You’re the one making the claims, you have to provide the evidence. You can’t just proclaim, ‘Magic exists and you can’t prove it doesn’t!’ like it means anything.

By the way, I can’t find any spell-checker that recognizes ‘inexistence’ as a word.

Ravi Zacharias wrote:The moment you claim a truth claim, you’re violating determinism.

OK, somebody tell me what that’s supposed to mean, if anything. Tell me how it’s relevant to the arguments, and how it proves that religion is right, and science is wrong.

He goes on a lot about determinism. It seems to be one of his favorite straw-men, that science equals determinism. It’s like he’s unable to see any possibilities other than ‘Goddidit’ or a perfectly deterministic clockwork universe. As if without his god, no form of choice, chance or free will is possible. So, let's hang a false dichotomy around the straw-man's neck.

Quantum mechanics precludes any form of strict determinism. There can only be probabilistic determinism, which leaves plenty of room for choice and free will. Ravi has no excuse for being ignorant of these facts; Albert Einstein received a Nobel Prize in 1921 for using quantum theory to explain the photoelectric effect.

Ravi Zacharias wrote:Reality deals with metaphysics.

No, dude, reality deals with reality. Metaphysics deals with the unreal.

Ravi Zacharias wrote:If the scientific premises turn out to be true that we are the random collocation of atoms, of time plus matter plus chance, you will be left with no moral perspective on which to condemn anybody who chooses to behead someone in public and gloat over it, because those are moral issues we are dealing with and science doesn’t deal with morality, and if it talks about the evolution of morality then it is deterministic and if it is deterministic it is not making a true assertion and therefore if it says that morality is not true, the assertion itself either claims to be true or is not true, and if it claims to be true then it goes beyond science.

That’s his closing statement. Long-winded bugger, ain’t he? I would never allow such an atrocious run-on sentence to appear in any of my stories, much less say it in public.

Grammatical abuses aside, what we have here is a rather overcomplicated summary of the fundamental arrogance and stupidity of The Faithful — their unsupported claim that it is impossible for us to create a valid, fair and functional morality on our own. That it requires some sort of mystical intervention from The Great Ghu to tell us that wanton murder is wrong.

There is one aspect of morality that is indispensable to science — telling the truth. A dishonest scientist is a failure and an embarrassment. From there, how much of a stretch is it to apply honesty to your personal life?

Overall, he does little more than trot out a lot of tired old arguments that have already been debunked and discredited a thousand times over. Nothing new to see here.

That’s not really a surprise, is it? These religious types never have any new arguments, because they have to get everything from that same old collection of Bronze Age fairy tales. They’re like a group of stand-up comics who haven’t gotten any new material in 1,600 years. Of course we’ve heard all the jokes before!
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Maybe The Faithful really do need some all-seeing, all-powerful, judgemental entity standing over them with a stick to tell them that murder is wrong. I don’t. I guess I’m just better than that.
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Re: Son of GOD EXISTS
Post by Exidor   » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:23 am

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smr wrote: An Atheist scientist verses a Cambridge Professor.


What does it say about the content and audience when reading the comments is more entertaining than the video?

Youtube *is* supposed to be entertaining, isn't it?

FWIW, I've never been a member of the "Science vs Religion" club. My view there is rather simple: Scripture tells what the Creator did; Science tries to figure out how it was done - and neither have *all* the answers (I've not found and chapter and verse in any version of the Bible that tells how to figure out the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow - African or European. I'm fairly certain the answer is not 42...).

Hmph... from the Bible, to Monty Python to Douglas Adams. Sounds like the beginning of an entertaining word game for social hour. Need some puns, I think.

>mosey's off to think<
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Re: Son of GOD EXISTS
Post by gcomeau   » Mon Aug 20, 2018 5:16 pm

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Exidor wrote:FWIW, I've never been a member of the "Science vs Religion" club. My view there is rather simple: Scripture tells what the Creator did; Science tries to figure out how it was done - and neither have *all* the answers (I've not found and chapter and verse in any version of the Bible that tells how to figure out the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow - African or European. I'm fairly certain the answer is not 42...).



Except one problem with that... saying neither one has all the answers implies they both have some portion of the answers split between them.

I have not once, in my entire life, seen religion answer a question. Respond to questions with unsupported assertions, yes... but not answer a question. Because religion has no mechanism or framework for doing that.
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