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Re: Real life "Mesan Alignment"?
Post by Tenshinai   » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:41 pm

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Howard T. Map-addict wrote:Michael,
Israel is where it is, because the Jewish Bible (also
accepted and claimed by Christians) says that that
particular land, between the Jordan River and the
Mediterranean Sea, was given by G-d to the Israelites.


And how RELEVANT is that? Zero, none, nada.

Unless of course you want to start accepting religious records as the normal basis for borders.

But in that case, you´re kinda out of luck, because the American natives gets their place back pretty damn fast.

Meanwhile, 70+% of jews doesn´t even have a genetic lineage to the Palestine region.

So come on, tell me again exactly how a religious group, a majority of which doesn´t even have any links beyond a religious claim, has more rights to a land, than the people who lived there, and can trace lineage in the area hundreds of years back?

No other land can be acceptable as a Jewish state.


:roll:

As for a Jewish Army to fight in Eretz Israel, Tenshinai,
it was recruited and assembled one Jew at a time,
from Jews who were either already there or who went
there to fight. No USA army units were involved, ever.


Seriously...

You actually believe that a completely disorganised force of 15000 new recruits along with the 2000+ strong Palmach ( British trained ) and a few thousand terrorists could hold out against a regular army?

If the Palmach was the only trained and equipped troops involved on Israeli side, the war would have ended in a few weeks with a no longer existant Israel.

Most of those ~15000, were jews who had served in the US army, and after the war "somehow" ended up in Palestine with 2 divisions worth of US military equipment, along with supplies of fuel and ammunition.

Oh, and isn´t it amazing that somehow, the brand new state of Israel had the cash available to quickly hire a few thousand mercenaries to shore up the fighting with?

Officially, USA was "merely" a mostly political supporter with volunteers giving money.
The reality is basically just another case of "enacting regimechange".

Stuff like operation Balak would never have succeeded without US covert support, despite how it was US politicians whining that greatly contributed to shutting down the "smuggling".

And it´s hard to call it smuggling when it includes 3 months of frequent flights with 4 engine transport aircrafts, the kind of a transport airfleet that would have made the Luftwaffe of 1939 green in envy.

The kind of airfleet that a nongovernment entity simply cannot aquire and run unnoticed.
Seriously, they "suddenly" managed to aquire and run enough aircrafts to unofficially be one of the 10 largest nongovernment flightops in Europe at the time.
Doing nothing but smuggling. Yeah no, sorry, that isn´t just unrealistic, that just does not happen without assistance.

And it has been established pretty damn well where that assistance came from and to some extent why(can´t have armageddon without an Israel, yay!).

The British did recruit a Jewish Brigade, mostly from
Jews already in "Palestine," for WW2. After 1945 most
of the 4000 or so Jewish Brigade members did join the
Haganah (or Irgun, or Lehi) which was (were) turned
into the Israeli Army when the State was declared.


Palmach. 3 brigades with a bit over 2000 in troops.

One US Army colonel, David "Mickey" Marcus, a Jew,
did join the Israeli Army. He did so by himself,
without bringing any other Americans, Jewish or not.


Ah yes. Like how Swedish volunteers went to support the winter war in Finland. They got "vacation", then somehow arrived in complete units with weapons and equipment.
Spontaneously of course. Absolutely noone behind the organisation of it, none at all.
:roll:

Yes, I am a Jew, and a supporter of Zionism


I don´t care if you´re a jew, but supporting zionism is gross stupidity.

You might as well say that you´re supporting landtheft, ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Because THAT has been the actual results of zionism. And the disgusting part is that too many, even if it´s a minority, of zionist supporters thinks that´s ok, because hey, we got the godgiven rights!

And that´s why religion should never be allowed into politics.
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Re: Real life "Mesan Alignment"?
Post by Donnachaidh   » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:48 pm

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Everyone,

Cool it. Stop the personal attacks (i.e. calling people idiots, saying they are evil/supporting evil, calling people stupid, etc..). Disagreement is fine; in fact it's great because it usually leads to insightful discussions. But personal attacks just lead to people talk/yelling past each other instead of to each other and there is not discussion, no exchange of ideas, when it's like that.

This forum has generally been a pretty civil place to have discussions and it's in all of our best interest to keep it that way.
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Re: Real life "Mesan Alignment"?
Post by RedBaron   » Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:34 pm

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Howard T. Map-addict wrote:Michael,
Israel is where it is, because the Jewish Bible (also
accepted and claimed by Christians) says that that
particular land, between the Jordan River and the
Mediterranean Sea, was given by G-d to the Israelites.

No other land can be acceptable as a Jewish state.
The British did offer some land in Uganda, circa 1908,
but a Zionist Congress refused it.

As for a Jewish Army to fight in Eretz Israel, Tenshinai,
it was recruited and assembled one Jew at a time,
from Jews who were either already there or who went
there to fight
. No USA army units were involved, ever.
The British did recruit a Jewish Brigade, mostly from
Jews already in "Palestine," for WW2. After 1945 most
of the 4000 or so Jewish Brigade members did join the
Haganah (or Irgun, or Lehi)
which was (were) turned
into the Israeli Army when the State was declared.

One US Army colonel, David "Mickey" Marcus, a Jew,
did join the Israeli Army.
He did so by himself,
without bringing any other Americans, Jewish or not.

Howard T. Map-addict
Yes, I am a Jew, and a supporter of Zionism




1 - And weren't they exiled for breaking the covenent, and barred from the land until Jesus returned?

2 - There was little conflict between Jews, Muslims, and Christians.... until zionist extremists illegally immigrated from europe.

3 - From the descriptions of the activities and tactics of Haganah/Irgun/Lehi, they were terrorists.

4 - Being a US citizen and a member of the US Army, by going and fighting for israel he was technically committing treason, as were those who were smuggling US weapons to israel.

5 - So you are proud to be associated with a group that - like the Mesan Alignment - thinks it is superior to all others, who use deciet and manipulation, and consider it acceptable to murder anyone who isn't like them?
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Re: Real life "Mesan Alignment"?
Post by scriptureparallels   » Fri May 10, 2019 8:49 pm

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I am just finishing a second reading through the wonderful novel by David Weber of, “Uncompromising Honor”. When I went to look up (listed in “Mission of Honor”) just who was, or were, the “Mesan Alignment”, and were to become the Renaissance Factor”, I ran across this particular thread here, during that search.

In short, I submit the following (most) pertinent passages, because there are others, many others, from out of Christian scriptures, particularly the Book of Revelation as to just whom the real world equivalent to the “Mesan Alignment” is. Apart from the Beast (or Antichrist, references from other Books in scriptures, just not used in Revelation however), and the “False Prophet”, the third major player, or villain in the triumvirate of evil, is the “whore of Babylon”. Otherwise also known as, and specifically linked in Revelation as being:

1. a) the great city (b) which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt Revelation 11:8
2. Babylon the great Revelation 14:8, Revelation 16:19, Revelation 18:1-5
3. the great city Revelation 16:16-20; &
4. a) the woman (twice, this phrase is used here), (b) the harlot (which phrase is also used twice) (c) the great city Revelation 17:7 & 15-18

I provide the following passages, to look up and read for oneself, only for any person who is both sincere and honest about being a “Christian” or who otherwise has in the least any respect for what God's word says about, well – anything; but in particular about our real-world “Mesan alignment”, who is the “power behind the throne(s)”, and otherwise pulling the strings of globalism, new world order and otherwise trying to just, “raise hell on earth” (for their own power, profit, or fulfillment, whatever)
Otherwise, all others may feel to disregard all of this (except perhaps, and hopefully too, to the extent that just sheer curiosity might lead such persons to look up what these following passages say. Or to at least read the 3 short quotes, from them which I provide below)

1st Thessalonians 2:14-16
Galatians 4:21-27
Luke 23:28-30
Revelation 6:15-17
Revelation 11:3, 7 & 8
Revelation 16:5-7
Revelation 16:16-20
Revelation 17:1-6
Revelation 17:7 & 15-18
Matthew 23:34-35
Revelation 18:20-24

“- for your merchants were the great men of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery. And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all who have been slain on the earth.” Revelation 18:23-24
“Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth,” Matthew 23:34-35
'Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, she who has made all the nations drink of the wine of the passion of her immorality.” Revelation 14:8
“And the woman you saw is the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth.”
Revelation 17:18

(*New American Standard Bible; the 3 quotations)
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