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Independent evidence wanted
Post by DDHv   » Tue May 24, 2016 4:56 pm

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From an article on medical error deaths:

http://www.hospitalsafetyscore.org/news ... ntstooslow

Hmmm. Anyone know of independent evidence on this one? My assumption is that everyone gets something wrong somewhere, including me, but if true, this one matters.

Also, does anyone know of another subject where we should ask the forum members to provide independent evidence if they can
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Re: Independent evidence wanted
Post by HB of CJ   » Wed May 25, 2016 12:25 am

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Dunno what exactly you are looking for. As a retired ... er ... retarded registered nurse, the stories I can not tell you about mistakes made in the hospital setting. A series of events

Direct correlation? Possibly. Causation? Dunno. Would be difficult to impossible to prove. Sick folks are in hospitals. Be hard to experiment for exact data proving whatever.

I have seen true "goners" get well and walk out. Seen patients seemingly very well with no real reason to be in the hospital sour out and die within 48 hours. Varies.

I can not say that lots of infections observed in hospital patients MAY have been caught inside the hospital. Hospitals are not clean places. Only humans may break aseptic technique.

We were taught that no matter how excellent the medical care is and how exact the written documentation is, a good lawyer will ALWAYS find something wrong to show to a jury.

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Re: Independent evidence wanted
Post by cthia   » Wed May 25, 2016 9:27 am

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Dunno if this is what you're looking for, but...

A friend of mine passed out because she was listening to an acquaintance of hers tell a story about her mother having to be reopened after a surgery to remove a sponge and a surgical clamp from her body that had been left inside. It had been giving her serious problems for weeks and had formed a tumor around the items. It seemed that we noticed plenty more of these type examples since then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retained_ ... nstruments

http://www.resource4surgicalaccidents.c ... nbody.html

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Re: Independent evidence wanted
Post by HB of CJ   » Wed May 25, 2016 8:14 pm

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Way back in 1986 or so when total knee replacements were just in their beginning, (Linux spell check is beginning to piss me off!) almost 50% of the post operation patients had some sort of nasty local knee infection!

Nobody knew how this was happening. A secret video was made of several procedures with no knowledge and we found that the knee surgeon quickly wiped his nose TWICE with his fingers, raising his mask to do so.

He telegraphed this with throwing a surgical instrument across the theater to distract the staff. The one time he was caught out the hospital higher ups definitely told the new RN to mind his own business and not make waves.

Why? The total knee and hip replacements were making the hospital a ton of money. More than once the post operation knee patient had to return to the operating room to have the incision opened and the puss drained out. More money.

All the patients survived and eventually recovered 100%. I now wonder if any long term puss pockets were in fact caused by some small thingie still inside the body? Nice house to work for. Some Surgeons were horrible human beings.
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Re: Independent evidence wanted
Post by cthia   » Thu May 26, 2016 3:16 am

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HB of CJ wrote:Way back in 1986 or so when total knee replacements were just in their beginning, (Linux spell check is beginning to piss me off!) almost 50% of the post operation patients had some sort of nasty local knee infection!

Nobody knew how this was happening. A secret video was made of several procedures with no knowledge and we found that the knee surgeon quickly wiped his nose TWICE with his fingers, raising his mask to do so.

He telegraphed this with throwing a surgical instrument across the theater to distract the staff. The one time he was caught out the hospital higher ups definitely told the new RN to mind his own business and not make waves.

Why? The total knee and hip replacements were making the hospital a ton of money. More than once the post operation knee patient had to return to the operating room to have the incision opened and the puss drained out. More money.

All the patients survived and eventually recovered 100%. I now wonder if any long term puss pockets were in fact caused by some small thingie still inside the body? Nice house to work for. Some Surgeons were horrible human beings.

The pain of a common cold.

Sorry about your spellcheck problems. It may be the culprit of a config problem. Firstly, have you...
http://www.binarytides.com/better-linux ... -cinnamon/

If still not functioning properly, then...

For Libre office you must install aspell english...
sudo apt-get install myspell-en-us

Options > Language Settings > Languages > under default languages for documents, set Western language as English (USA)

This works because Spell Check is defined only for a few Language Packages. You can see which have spell check support by looking for a blue tick on the right side of the language name.

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Thank You cthia ...
Post by HB of CJ   » Thu May 26, 2016 10:28 am

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I do need to continue my non existing computer skills. Right now i am running at about five, (5) percent literacy.

You recommendations are well received and thank you. The only problem is I have no idea what you are talking about.

HB. :) :) :)
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Re: Independent evidence wanted
Post by Senior Chief   » Fri May 27, 2016 9:59 pm

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HB of CJ wrote:Way back in 1986 or so when total knee replacements were just in their beginning, (Linux spell check is beginning to piss me off!) almost 50% of the post operation patients had some sort of nasty local knee infection!

Nobody knew how this was happening. A secret video was made of several procedures with no knowledge and we found that the knee surgeon quickly wiped his nose TWICE with his fingers, raising his mask to do so.

He telegraphed this with throwing a surgical instrument across the theater to distract the staff. The one time he was caught out the hospital higher ups definitely told the new RN to mind his own business and not make waves.

Why? The total knee and hip replacements were making the hospital a ton of money. More than once the post operation knee patient had to return to the operating room to have the incision opened and the puss drained out. More money.

All the patients survived and eventually recovered 100%. I now wonder if any long term puss pockets were in fact caused by some small thingie still inside the body? Nice house to work for. Some Surgeons were horrible human beings.



I have had both my knees totally replaced. Never had a problem. I was riding a stationary bike 3 weeks after surgery and back to work 7 weeks after surgery. The only drag was being told NOT to go swimming (which is the best rehab) until a month after the stitches had completely healed. I am even able to kneel on my surfboard with no pain!!!

Of course I had my surgery done at a Naval Hospital in San Diego and I had the same surgeon both times. Great Ortho surgeon!!!

Are there bad surgeons and hospital, absolutely. Do your research before choosing a surgeon or hospital.
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Re: Independent evidence wanted
Post by HB of CJ   » Sat May 28, 2016 8:26 pm

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Flash forward to today from about 1986 or so. A lady friend acquaintance recently had her right knee joint replaced. Out surgery clinic. Went in the early morning and went home that same night. Incredible. Quite the difference from 30 years ago. How medicine has progressed. :)
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Re: Independent evidence wanted
Post by DDHv   » Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:57 pm

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HB of CJ wrote:Flash forward to today from about 1986 or so. A lady friend acquaintance recently had her right knee joint replaced. Out surgery clinic. Went in the early morning and went home that same night. Incredible. Quite the difference from 30 years ago. How medicine has progressed. :)


The problem is finding where it has progressed. On knee surgeries, there are net ads claiming the basic problem is in the synovial fluid, and can be cured without surgery if the damage isn't too great. :?:

It looks like modern medicine is good at handling trauma (provided the surgeon does his job, not
HB of CJ wrote:A secret video was made of several procedures with no knowledge and we found that the knee surgeon quickly wiped his nose TWICE with his fingers, raising his mask to do so.
or other foul ups). However, preventive medicine is often poor. BJ learned from a nutrition expert some basics, and our health is better than normal for our age. Causation
:?:

Another problem is that if a treatment works, but will not pay back the pharmaceutical companies for producing it, it cannot be mass produced. Part of this is the high expense of getting a treatment officially approved, over half a billion U$ for many methods. Example:

WORTH READING:

"Outsmart your Cancer" by Tanya Harter Pierce. 2nd Edition.

alternate title: Alternative non-toxic treatments that work.

In 2001, a relative of hers was diagnosed with cancer. The conventional treatments provide poor long term results for that type of cancer. She spent months researching alternatives and filtering the results.

Assuming even a half quality research was done, this is worth reading, if only to learn about systemic medical failures.

Example: in the trial of Dr. Burzynski, the issue of whether the treatment actually worked was never allowed to be introduced. Dr. Burzynski's clinic finally has permission to conduct phase II clinical trials, but FDA regulations for these require many potential patients to be turned away. Insurance companies will pay for less effective treatments, but not this more effective "experimental" treatment.

:idea: Make it a legal requirement that insurance companies pay for a certain percentage of experimental treatments which have a proven record that is equal or better than conventional methods.

The "How do we fix the Economy?" thread has an ongoing argument about whether socialism or a really free economy is better. The basic problem with either happens when that design produces a systemic headwind against effective results.

Could an economy be devised which would produce a systemic tail wind to effective results? Would it be possible to arrange things so that mass production of a more effective treatment would be profitable even without patents or other such
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Re: Independent evidence wanted
Post by DDHv   » Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:00 pm

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From:

http://cfif.org/v/index.php/commentary/ ... dc-fiddles

The CDC 's failure to call for screening incoming patients defies reason. During the AIDS crisis, the CDC recommended testing all patients for AIDS. Why not superbugs? Hospital infections kill four times as many people. And contracting AIDS is difficult, but picking up a hospital germ is as easy as touching the call button.

New screening tools can detect superbugs in minutes, instead of old-fashioned cultures that take three days. As a result, patients who test positive for a superbug can be whisked into a single room to stop their germs from spreading.

Using a new, FDA approved test, Washington, D.C.-area hospitals screened patients and found more than 5 percent unknowingly carry deadly CRE germs. That shows the urgent need to make screening routine.

The intractable infection in Pennsylvania is a wake-up call. Patients and advocates need to demand aggressive infection-prevention in hospitals. We have the tools to eradicate these infections. What is lacking is the will.


Does anyone know about "New screening tools can detect superbugs in minutes?" As a tech nerd, I would be interested in how this works
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