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Re: Ebola Virus
Post by namelessfly   » Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:15 am

namelessfly

Dieu_Le_Fera wrote:
pokermind wrote:I have no problem with legal immigration, or rational guest worker programs.
Poker


I hate to say it but you do have a problem with immigration, just by using the word. It is a dirty word, one that despite legal or not they are still labeled an "immigrant". You are not calling them citizens. See the difference?



You are definitely suffering from a case of PC bigotry.

Of course the US is a nation of immigrants. Even native Americans immigrated her about 20,000 years ago.

The quote you cite about the huddled masses is on the Statue of Liberty, visible from Ellis
Island. Ellis Island was an immigrant evaluation facility where many immigrants were welcomed but many others were rejected. Ellis Island was operating at a time when the US Congress enacted quotas on immigrants from various countries tonsure that no one group became so numerous that they would not assimilate. One of my wife's ancestors was deported and could not return until they had overcome a disease. (Theyalso learned English) Almost all maintained their ethnic identity for at least few immigrants but they became Americans first and home country second.

We want America to remain a melting pot where the various immigrant groups merge not remain separate.
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Re: Ebola Virus
Post by cthia   » Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:28 pm

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"Prevention is not just better than cure, in this case it is essential."

The death count and infected are up!

This is serious!

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Re: Ebola Virus
Post by cthia   » Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:38 pm

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Ebola virus

PATHOGEN SAFETY DATA SHEET - INFECTIOUS SUBSTANCES

SECTION I - INFECTIOUS AGENT

NAME: Ebola virus

SYNONYM OR CROSS REFERENCE: African haemorrhagic fever, Ebola haemorrhagic fever (EHF, Ebola HF), filovirus, EBO virus (EBOV), Zaire ebolavirus (ZEBOV), Sudan ebolavirus (SEBOV), Ivory Coast ebolavirus (ICEBOV), Ebola-Reston (REBOV), Bundibugyo ebolavirus (BEBOV), and Ebola virus disease (1, 2).

CHARACTERISTICS: Ebola was discovered in 1976 and is a member of the Filoviridae family (previously part of Rhabdoviridae family, which were later given a family of their own based on their genetic structure). It is an elongated filamentous molecule, which can vary between 800 – 1000 nm in length, and can reach up to14000 nm long (due to concatamerization) with a uniform diameter of 80 nm (2-5). It contains a helical nucleocapsid, (with a central axis) 20 – 30 nm in diameter, and is enveloped by a helical capsid, 40 – 50 nm in diameter, with 5 nm cross-striations (2-6). The pleomorphic viral fragment may occupy several distinct shapes (e.g., in the shape of a “6”, a “U”, or a circle), and are contained within a lipid membrane (2, 3). Each virion contains one molecule of single-stranded, non-segmented, negative-sense viral genomic RNA (3, 7).

Five Ebola subtypes have been identified: Zaire ebolavirus (ZEBOV), which was first identified in 1976 and is the most virulent; Sudan ebolavirus, (SEBOV); Ivory Coast ebolavirus (ICEBOV); Ebola-Reston (REBOV), and Bundibugyo ebolavirus (BEBOV) (1, 3, 8, 9). Reston was isolated from cynomolgus monkeys from the Philippines in 1989 and is less pathogenic in non-human primates. It was thought to be the only subtype that does not cause infection in humans until 2009, when it was strongly speculated to have been transferred from pigs to humans. Bundibugyo was discovered in 2008, and has been found to be most closely related to the ICEBOV strain (9).

SECTION II – HAZARD IDENTIFICATION

PATHOGENICITY/TOXICITY: The Ebola virions enter the host cells through endocytosis and replication occurs in the cytoplasm. Upon infection, the virus targets the host blood coagulative and immune defence system and leads to severe immunosuppression (6, 10). Early signs of infection are non-specific and flu-like, and may include sudden onset of fever, asthenia, diarrhea, headache, myalgia, arthralgia, vomiting, and abdominal pains (11). Less common early symptoms such as conjunctival injection, sore throat, rashes, and bleeding may also appear. Shock, cerebral oedema, coagulation disorders, and secondary bacterial infection may co-occur with onset of infection (4). Haemorrhaging symptoms begin 4 – 5 days after onset, which includes hemorrhagic conjunctivitis, pharyngitis, bleeding gums, oral/lip ulceration, hematemesis, melena, hematuria, epistaxis, and vaginal bleeding (12). Hepatocellular damage, marrow depression (such as thrombocytopenia and leucopenia), serum transaminase elevation, and proteinuria may also occur. Persons that are terminally ill typically present with obtundation, anuria, shock, tachypnea, normothermia, arthralgia, and ocular diseases (13). Haemorrhagic diathesis is often accompanied by hepatic damage and renal failure, central nervous system involvement, and terminal shock with multi-organ failure (1, 2). Contact with the virus may also result in symptoms such as severe acute viral illness, malaise, and maculopapular rash. Pregnant women will usually abort their foetuses and experience copious bleeding (2). Fatality rates range between 50 – 100%, with most dying of dehydration caused by gastric problems (14). Subtype Ebola-Reston manifests lower levels of pathogenicity in non-human primates and has not been recorded to be infectious in humans; however, sub-clinical symptoms were observed in some people with suspected contact after they developed antibodies against the virus (8).

Pathogenicity between different subtypes of Ebola does not differ greatly in that they have all been associated with hemorrhagic fever outbreaks in humans and non-human primates. The Ebola-Zaire and Sudan strains are especially known for their virulence with 53 – 90% fatality rate. Less virulent strains include the Côte d’Ivoire ebolavirus and the Reston strain, and the latter has only been observed to cause sub-clinical infections to humans, with transmission from pigs (9). The major difference between the strains lies in the genome, which can vary by 30 – 40% from each other. This difference might be the cause of the varying ecologic niches of each strain and their evolutionary history. The newly discovered Bundibugyo strain, which caused

a single outbreak in Uganda, has a genome with 30% variance from the other strains. It is most closely related to the Côte d’Ivoire ebolavirus strain; however, it has been found to be more virulent as 37 fatal infections were recorded.

EPIDEMIOLOGY: Occurs mainly in areas surrounding rain forests in central Africa (6) with the exception of Reston which occurs in the Phillipines (9). No predispositions to infection have been identified among infected victims; however, the 20 – 30-year-old age group seems to be particularly susceptible.

Outbreaks:

Democratic Republic of the Congo (formerly Zaire): The first outbreak was recorded in 1976 with 318 cases (88% fatality); in 1995 with 315 cases (81% fatality); in 2001 with 59 cases (75% fatality); in 2003 as two separate outbreaks with 143 cases (90% fatality) and 35 cases (83% fatality), respectively; and recently in 2007 with reports of 372 cases involving 166 deaths (1, 2, 15, 16).

Sudan: The first outbreak was recorded in 1976 with 284 cases (53% fatality); and a second was recorded in 1979 with 34 cases (65% fatality) (1, 2, 15).

Gabon: The first outbreaks were recorded in 1994 with 52 cases (60% fatality); in 1996 as two separate outbreaks with 37 cases (57% fatality) and 60 cases (74% fatality), respectively; and in 2001-2 with 65 cases (82% fatality) (1, 2, 15).

Côte-d’Ivoire: Single non-fatal case of a scientist infected during a necropsy of an infected chimpanzee in the Tai Forest (17).

Uganda: Outbreaks were recorded in 2000 with 425 cases (53% fatality); and recently in 2007 with reports of 93 cases involving 22 deaths (2, 15, 18).

Philippine: In 2009, local authorities and international agencies confirmed for the first time that the Ebola Reston virus was strongly likely to have been transmitted from pigs to humans, when it was discovered that 5 out of 77 people who had come in contact with the pigs had developed antibodies to the EBOV virus, no other clinical signs were observed (19).

United States: An outbreak of REBOV in monkeys in 1989 in a shipment of animals from the Philippines, and a second outbreak occurred in 1996 in Texas among animals from the same Phillipine supplier (20).

Western Uganda: The outbreak in 2007 in the townships of Bundibugyo and Kikyo in the Bundibugyo district marked the discovery of the fifth strain of the virus, the Bundibugyo ebolavirus (9). The outbreak lasted for 2 months, with 149 suspected cases and 37 deaths.

HOST RANGE: Humans, various monkey species, chimpanzees, gorillas, baboons, and duikers (1-3, 15, 16, 18, 21-23). The Ebola virus genome was recently discovered in two species of rodents and one species of shrew living in forest border areas, raising the possibility that these animals may be intermediary hosts (24). Other studies of the virus have been done using guinea pig models (25). A survey of small vertebrates captured during the 2001 and 2003 outbreaks in Gabon found evidence of asymptomatic infection in three species of fruit bat (Hypsignathus monstrosus, Epomops franqueti, and Myonycteris torquata) (26).

INFECTIOUS DOSE: 1 – 10 aerosolized organisms are sufficient to cause infection in humans (21).

MODE OF TRANSMISSION: In an outbreak, it is hypothesized that the first patient becomes infected as a result of contact with an infected animal (15). Person-to-person transmission occurs via close personal contact with an infected individual or their body fluids during the late stages of infection or after death (1, 2, 15, 27). Nosocomial infections can occur through contact with infected body fluids due to the reuse of unsterilized syringes, needles, or other medical equipment contaminated with these fluids (1, 2). Humans may be infected by handling sick or dead non-human primates and are also at risk when handling the bodies of deceased humans in preparation for funerals, suggesting possible transmission through aerosol droplets (2, 6, 28). In the laboratory, infection through small-particle aerosols has been demonstrated in primates, and airborne spread among humans is strongly suspected, although it has not yet been conclusively demonstrated (1, 6, 13). The importance of this route of transmission is not clear. Poor hygienic conditions can aid the spread of the virus (6).

INCUBATION PERIOD: Two to 21 days, more often 4 – 9 days (1, 13, 14).

COMMUNICABILITY: Communicable as long as blood, secretions, organs, or semen contain the virus. Ebola virus has been isolated from semen 61 days after the onset of illness, and transmission through semen has occurred 7 weeks after clinical recovery (1, 2).

SECTION III - DISSEMINATION

RESERVOIR: The natural reservoir of Ebola is unknown (1, 2). Antibodies to the virus have been found in the serum of domestic guinea pigs, with no relation to human transmission (29). The virus can be replicated in some bat species native to the area where the virus is found, thus certain bat species may prove to be the natural hosts (26).

ZOONOSIS: Probably transmitted from animals (non-human primates and/or bats) (2, 15, 26).

VECTORS: Unknown.

SECTION IV – STABILITY AND VIABILITY

DRUG SUSCEPTIBILITY: Unknown. S-adenosylhomocysteine hydrolase inhibitors have been found to have complete mortality protection in mice infected with a lethal dose of Ebola virus (30).

DRUG RESISTANCE: There are no known antiviral treatments available for human infections.

SUSCEPTIBILITY TO DISINFECTANTS: Ebola virus is susceptible to sodium hypochlorite, lipid solvents, phenolic disinfectants, peracetic acid, methyl alcohol, ether, sodium deoxycholate, 2% glutaraldehyde, 0.25% Triton X-100, β-propiolactone, 3% acetic acid (pH 2.5), formaldehyde and paraformaldehyde, and detergents such as SDS (20, 21, 31-34).

PHYSICAL INACTIVATION: Ebola are moderately thermolabile and can be inactivated by heating for 30 minutes to 60 minutes at 60ºC, boiling for 5 minutes, gamma irradiation (1.2 x106 rads to 1.27 x106 rads), and/or UV radiation (3, 6, 20, 32, 33).

SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: The virus can survive in liquid or dried material for a number of days (23). Infectivity is found to be stable at room temperature or at 4°C for several days, and indefinitely stable at -70°C (6, 20). Infectivity can be preserved by lyophilisation.

SECTION V – FIRST AID / MEDICAL

SURVEILLANCE: Monitor anyone suffering from an acute febrile illness that has recently travelled to rural sub-Saharan Africa, especially if haemorrhagic manifestations occur (3). Diagnosis can be quickly done in an appropriately equipped laboratory using a multitude of approaches including ELISA based techniques to detect anti-Ebola antibodies or viral antigens (12), RT-PCR to detect viral RNA, immunoelectron microscopy to detect Ebola virus particles in tissues and cells, and indirect immunofluorescence to detect antiviral antibodies (1, 2, 12, 21). It is useful to note that the Marburg virus is morphologically indistinguishable from the Ebola virus, and laboratory surveillance of Ebola is extremely hazardous and should be performed in a Containment Level 4 facility (1, 2, 12, 35).

Note: All diagnostic methods are not necessarily available in all countries.

FIRST AID/TREATMENT: There is no effective antiviral treatment (23, 26). Instead, treatment is supportive, and is directed at maintaining renal function and electrolyte balance and combating haemorrhage and shock (15). Transfusion of convalescent serum may be beneficial (3). Post-exposure treatment with a nematode-derived anticoagulation protein and a recombinant vesicular stomatitis virus vaccine expressing the Zaire Ebola virus glycoprotein have been shown to have 33% and 50% efficacy, respectively, in humans (4). Recent studies have shown that small interfering RNAs (siRNAs) can be potentially effective in silencing Zaire Ebola virus RNA polymerase L, and treatments in rhesus macaque monkeys have resulted in 100% efficacy when administered everyday for 6 days; however, delivery of the nucleic acid still remains an obstacle.

IMMUNIZATION: None (23).

PROPHYLAXIS: None. Management of the Ebola virus is solely based on isolation and barrier-nursing with symptomatic and supportive treatments (4).

SECTION VI - LABORATORY HAZARDS

LABORATORY-ACQUIRED INFECTIONS: One reported near-fatal case following a minute finger prick in an English laboratory (1976) (36). A Swiss zoologist contracted Ebola virus after performing an autopsy on a chimpanzee in 1994 (2, 37). An incident in Germany in 2009 when a laboratory scientist pricked herself with a needle that had just been used to infect a mouse with Ebola, however infection has not be confirmed. Additional incidents were recorded in the US in 2004, and a fatal case in Russia in 2004 (4).

SOURCES/SPECIMENS: Blood, serum, urine, respiratory and throat secretions, semen, and organs or their homogenates from human or animal hosts (1, 2, 35). Human or animal hosts, including non-human primates, may represent a further source of infection (35).

PRIMARY HAZARDS: Accidental parenteral inoculation, respiratory exposure to infectious aerosols and droplets, and/or direct contact with broken skin or mucous membranes (35).

SPECIAL HAZARDS: Work with, or exposure to, infected non-human primates, rodents, or their carcasses represents a risk of human infection (35).

SECTION VII – EXPOSURE CONTROLS / PERSONAL PROTECTION

RISK GROUP CLASSIFICATION: Risk Group 4 (38).

CONTAINMENT REQUIREMENTS: Containment Level 4 facilities, equipment, and operational practices for work involving infectious or potentially infectious materials, animals, and cultures.

PROTECTIVE CLOTHING: Personnel entering the laboratory must remove street clothing, including undergarments, and jewellery, and change into dedicated laboratory clothing and shoes, or don full coverage protective clothing (i.e., completely covering all street clothing). Additional protection may be worn over laboratory clothing when infectious materials are directly handled, such as solid-front gowns with tight fitting wrists, gloves, and respiratory protection. Eye protection must be used where there is a known or potential risk of exposure to splashes (39).

OTHER PRECAUTIONS: All activities with infectious material should be conducted in a biological safety cabinet (BSC) in combination with a positive pressure suit, or within a class III BSC line. Centrifugation of infected materials must be carried out in closed containers placed in sealed safety cups, or in rotors that are unloaded in a biological safety cabinet. The integrity of positive pressure suits must be routinely checked for leaks. The use of needles, syringes, and other sharp objects should be strictly limited. Open wounds, cuts, scratches, and grazes should be covered with waterproof dressings. Additional precautions should be considered with work involving animal activities (39).

SECTION VIII - HANDLING AND STORAGE

SPILLS: Allow aerosols to settle and, wearing protective clothing, gently cover spill with paper towels and apply suitable disinfectant, starting at the perimeter and working towards the centre. Allow sufficient contact time before clean up (39).

DISPOSAL: Decontaminate all materials for disposal from the containment laboratory by steam sterilisation, chemical disinfection, incineration or by gaseous methods. Contaminated materials include both liquid and solid wastes (39).

STORAGE: In sealed, leak-proof containers that are appropriately labelled and locked in a Containment Level 4 laboratory (39).

SECTION IX – REGULATORY AND OTHER INFORMATION

REGULATORY INFORMATION: The import, transport, and use of pathogens in Canada is regulated under many regulatory bodies, including the Public Health Agency of Canada, Health Canada, Canadian Food Inspection Agency, Environment Canada, and Transport Canada. Users are responsible for ensuring they are compliant with all relevant acts, regulations, guidelines, and standards.

UPDATED: August 2010.

PREPARED BY: Pathogen Regulation Directorate, Public Health Agency of Canada.

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Re: Ebola Virus
Post by Northstar   » Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:31 pm

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cthia wrote:"Prevention is not just better than cure, in this case it is essential."

The death count and infected are up!

This is serious!


There are two Western medical pros infected with it so far over there. One just died of it. Ebola is a level 4 agent and makes The Black Death and Smallpox look like the common cold.

This has zero to do with anyone's race, ethnicity, immigration policy or anything else. It is a virus. It does not give a toodles darn about any of that human stuff.

The only saving grace is it does not appear, so far, to be airborne spread.

The Hot Zone is a scary good book, as is The Demon in the Freezer - about Smallpox, and a novel, The Cobra Event, also by Preston, but there are alternate views about this stuff. Can I now remember titles? Alas, no. Got on a kick of reading a bunch of them years ago. Look up books about the CDC virus hunters etc and you'll probably find them.

Those are some of the bravest/ most foolhardy people on earth. Amazing folks who run into Hot Zones whenever they manifest.

Meanwhile Ebola is indeed a slate wiper... if it goes airborne. Probably not if it stays fluids dependent for transmission. But even at that level it is a horrific way to die. Completely horrific. And fluids can include getting sneezed on or touching someone who has it in their sweat or snot etc.

Frankly, I think their announced so called protective measures so far are way too little and not likely to be effective. People lie about this stuff to get home. People get a fat case of denial about how sick they are. This bug has been trying to break out for decades. Let's hope it fails this time also, but the half arsed stuff they're implementing.... Hah. Get educated about this, people.

And if it break out here... well, have the sense to stay home and ride it out. Hospitals are death wards in slate wipers. You survive or not as fate, deity's Will or your luck and fortune dictate. Are you prepared to wait out a viral burn at home? Say for 4 months? Helps with other fiscal emergencies too. Call it insurance of a practical nature.

Here's hoping that is utterly never ever needed.

Read about the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 for some real world playout of a major killing epidemic right here in America. Being silly in any direction is pointless, but... give it a good hard think. Keep safe, please. OK? :)
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Re: Ebola Virus
Post by Tenshinai   » Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:40 pm

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Northstar wrote:This has zero to do with anyone's race, ethnicity, immigration policy or anything else. It is a virus. It does not give a toodles darn about any of that human stuff.


In general i quite agree with you, but there are actually some minor differences.

It has for example been found that historical intermixing with Neanderthals in particular(and possibly with other pre-humans as well), provided a small boost to the immune system, and Africans mostly have zero or minimal of those genes.

During AIDS research it was also found that northern Europe and northwestern Asia had a presence of a specific gene that added some small resistance, which supposedly does the same to some degree also against other virus.

There are some more regional differences that has been found or is unconfirmed or merely speculated, and the differences are generally not large enough to make any real difference (a few % less mortality doesn´t matter much for the individuals), but they do exist.

Northstar wrote:Frankly, I think their announced so called protective measures so far are way too little and not likely to be effective.


Yeah, but it´s hard to be thorough when you don´t really have the resources.

Northstar wrote:And if it break out here...


There are several related viral strains that DO repeatedly reach USA and Europe, and it´s just a few months ago that there were some warnings in Europe that one such strain seemed to be advancing north in Europe, due to some certain types of mosquitos spreading.


And this is one reason i do not think it´s a good idea to have too rapid mass travel, eventually it WILL allow something really bad to spread TOO fast.

A good example is how 20-30 years ago, the annual "hardcore" flu arrived pretty much the same time of year every year. Now, people get those anytime of the year, and the variation in strains means vaccination has become noticeably less efficient.

Dangerous.
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Re: Ebola Virus
Post by viciokie   » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:07 pm

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While ebola has been defined in 1976 it may have been around for much much longer. Case in point is the Athenian plague which seemed to kill off a major portion of those affected and the care-givers and that came from reportedly Ethopia.
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Re: Ebola Virus
Post by cthia   » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:42 pm

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Northstar wrote:
cthia wrote:
"Prevention is not just better than cure, in this case it is essential."

The death count and infected are up!

This is serious!


There are two Western medical pros infected with it so far over there. One just died of it. Ebola is a level 4 agent and makes The Black Death and Smallpox look like the common cold.

This has zero to do with anyone's race, ethnicity, immigration policy or anything else. It is a virus. It does not give a toodles darn about any of that human stuff.

The only saving grace is it does not appear, so far, to be airborne spread.

The Hot Zone is a scary good book, as is The Demon in the Freezer - about Smallpox, and a novel, The Cobra Event, also by Preston, but there are alternate views about this stuff. Can I now remember titles? Alas, no. Got on a kick of reading a bunch of them years ago. Look up books about the CDC virus hunters etc and you'll probably find them.

Those are some of the bravest/ most foolhardy people on earth. Amazing folks who run into Hot Zones whenever they manifest.

Meanwhile Ebola is indeed a slate wiper... if it goes airborne. Probably not if it stays fluids dependent for transmission. But even at that level it is a horrific way to die. Completely horrific. And fluids can include getting sneezed on or touching someone who has it in their sweat or snot etc.

Frankly, I think their announced so called protective measures so far are way too little and not likely to be effective. People lie about this stuff to get home. People get a fat case of denial about how sick they are. This bug has been trying to break out for decades. Let's hope it fails this time also, but the half arsed stuff they're implementing.... Hah. Get educated about this, people.

And if it break out here... well, have the sense to stay home and ride it out. Hospitals are death wards in slate wipers. You survive or not as fate, deity's Will or your luck and fortune dictate. Are you prepared to wait out a viral burn at home? Say for 4 months? Helps with other fiscal emergencies too. Call it insurance of a practical nature.

Here's hoping that is utterly never ever needed.

Read about the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 for some real world playout of a major killing epidemic right here in America. Being silly in any direction is pointless, but... give it a good hard think. Keep safe, please. OK? :)


Amen.

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Do note that Ebola is a very evolved virus. Its built-in mechanism to infect is quite efficient. It does not rely on sneezing, touching, et cetera. It has its own built-in mechanisms. An infected person pukes at great distances. One's intestines opens up and sprays, et cetera. The Hot Zone, a must read!

The latest outbreak was initially thought to be a new strain, yet is ultimately reported to be the deadliest, Ebola Zaire!

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Re: Ebola Virus
Post by Thucydides   » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:54 pm

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What I find disturbing is the fact that so many people who have been in contact with infected people seem to have been allowed to walk away. One victim arrived on a commuter airplane, was diagnosed and isolated, but the @ 50 other passengers have dispersed (and been in contact with how many people now?)

Luckily Ebola is not an airborne pathogen, or Lagos in Nigeria would be wiped out in a matter of weeks. Some very tough decisions will need to be made, and I can see a quarantine being enforced over a large part of Africa if the disease keeps spreading.
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Re: Ebola Virus
Post by cthia   » Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:13 am

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The latest news is justifying bringing the infected Americans back to the U.S. for treatment, by saying that the virus has been here in the U.S. before. That is NOT true! "Ebola Reston," the weakest strain of Ebola has been here in the states. The current Ebola outbreak is "Ebola Zaire!" It is the most virulent, dangerous, slate wiping strain!!

If I became infected while in Africa, no doubt I'd want to be transported back here to the States where better treatment is available. But to do so, I believe, is incredibly irresponsible. This is NOT a virus to play with. NOT a virus to underestimate. Too much could go wrong — A downed plane, survivors coming in contact with unbeknownst good samaritans. Then we have to trust the Doctors who will also return, that they themselves didn't become infected and that they would be honest if they did. They are being irresponsible to the entire world. It is predicted that someday a worldwide epidemic will hit, are we playing with fire by enabling that opportunity now?

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Re: Ebola Virus
Post by namelessfly   » Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:28 am

namelessfly

Ebola has nothing to do with anyone's race or ethnicity. (unless it turns out to be like Malaria which some races are more resistant too then others)

However; Ebola is a slate wiper that is greater than fifty percent lethal for which there is no known vaccine and no known treatment.

The only feasible strategy for dealing with Ebola is containment, quarenteen and exclusion.

This means that governments have a moral obligation to prevent the disease from entering their country by controlling their borders or even regulating travel within their borders to prevent outbreaks from spreading. There is nothing racist about demanding that the US Government control the borders of the country. By engineering the current border crisis as a political stunt to demonize Republicans and give himself a pretext to take EXECUTIVE ACTION, Obama has neutralized the only plausible defense that the United States might have had against Ebola.

If Ebola Obama's grandstanding on immigration reform results in Ebola entering the US outside of a controlled environment such as Emory University and becomes an epidemic or pandemic,
individual citizens will act to prevent their homes, their families and their communities from being exposed to the disease. Those protective actions are likely to become extremely ugly.



Northstar wrote:
cthia wrote:"Prevention is not just better than cure, in this case it is essential."

The death count and infected are up!

This is serious!


There are two Western medical pros infected with it so far over there. One just died of it. Ebola is a level 4 agent and makes The Black Death and Smallpox look like the common cold.

This has zero to do with anyone's race, ethnicity, immigration policy or anything else. It is a virus. It does not give a toodles darn about any of that human stuff.

The only saving grace is it does not appear, so far, to be airborne spread.

The Hot Zone is a scary good book, as is The Demon in the Freezer - about Smallpox, and a novel, The Cobra Event, also by Preston, but there are alternate views about this stuff. Can I now remember titles? Alas, no. Got on a kick of reading a bunch of them years ago. Look up books about the CDC virus hunters etc and you'll probably find them.

Those are some of the bravest/ most foolhardy people on earth. Amazing folks who run into Hot Zones whenever they manifest.

Meanwhile Ebola is indeed a slate wiper... if it goes airborne. Probably not if it stays fluids dependent for transmission. But even at that level it is a horrific way to die. Completely horrific. And fluids can include getting sneezed on or touching someone who has it in their sweat or snot etc.

Frankly, I think their announced so called protective measures so far are way too little and not likely to be effective. People lie about this stuff to get home. People get a fat case of denial about how sick they are. This bug has been trying to break out for decades. Let's hope it fails this time also, but the half arsed stuff they're implementing.... Hah. Get educated about this, people.

And if it break out here... well, have the sense to stay home and ride it out. Hospitals are death wards in slate wipers. You survive or not as fate, deity's Will or your luck and fortune dictate. Are you prepared to wait out a viral burn at home? Say for 4 months? Helps with other fiscal emergencies too. Call it insurance of a practical nature.

Here's hoping that is utterly never ever needed.

Read about the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 for some real world playout of a major killing epidemic right here in America. Being silly in any direction is pointless, but... give it a good hard think. Keep safe, please. OK? :)
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