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by HB of CJ
» Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:24 pm
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Respectfully. Their politics is their religion? Could be. A good reason why we in the USA decided with our Constitution to separate church and state. We try here to keep them apart.
Perhaps since I am not religiously oriented, it is difficult for me to think through about religious crazy people. Could they still be crazy without being religious? A very sad situation. |
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by Starsaber
» Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:40 pm
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Or at least it's what people who want political power twist and use to draw people to their cause. |
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by Tenshinai
» Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:03 am
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Do you really? It´s considered normal in USA for politicians to run around talking about god, very earnestly looking into the camera and saying "god bless america", pushing agendas based on religion etc etc...
Of course they could. They might not be, but they could very well have ended up becoming fanatical about something else. Some people are simply born with a higher probility to become fanatical, others aquire it in life. And others still live under such conditions that becoming fanatical is natural. I might add that it was found years ago in a study, that the more unsafe a society is, the more religious and fanatical people in it becomes. To the point where researchers could almost predict what they were going to find in a country, just by looking at its level of homeless people, incarceration in jails or availability of medical care, and similar statistics. And by looking historically, they found direct correlation for example, that when a nation introduced generalised welfare(that worked as intended that is), overall level of fanaticism and religiousness dropped drastically. |
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by HB of CJ
» Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:46 pm
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Perhaps a government providing workable social programs should NOT be a function of good government? A am also a Conservative Libertarian. Less government is better. Little or very little government is best.
Has ISIS had such a bumpy ride partially because of the political- religious vacumm it sprang from? Could some mixes of craziness and religion and lack of anchors or limits enable such craziness to grow? Yikes indeed. |
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by Armed Neo-Bob
» Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:37 pm
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respectfully to all, the Koran (or Q'uran) doesn't not have any fundamental teaching of bigotry against the West; the Seljuk and Ottoman Empires used Orthodox Greeks as their administrators in both that is the modern Turkey and in the Balkans.
One of the most fanatical sects within Islam, however, are the group known as Wahibbi. They are from the Saudi desert region; and they were the reason the current Saudi royal family got the job. This group is all about destroying anything from pre-Islamic semitic culture, anywhere, and are unconcerned with any opinion other than their own. The Saudis, partly to divert them from the wastrals of the royal family, gave them a lot of funding for missionary activity; they went to many refugee camps in the middle east (for Palestinians in Jordan and Egypt, Afghans in Pakistan, Bosnians in Yugoslavia) where they trained people (like the Taliban) in their version of Islam. It is grossly unfair to lump all of them in with the fanatics, just as it is grossly unfair to label any german or austrian as a "nazi," or any Sunni Arab in Iraq as a Ba'athist. Most of what makes the news is the horrific and sensational; that doesn't make it everyday or normal. Rob |
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by Tenshinai
» Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:35 pm
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Indeed.
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by Relax
» Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:33 pm
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Everyone's politics is a direct reflection of their religion combined with their culture.
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by Armed Neo-Bob
» Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:35 pm
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Heh. When I was still on active duty (the 1980s) there were a fair number of excessively "conservative republicans" who were mainly reacting to their hippy parents' excessive "democratic liberalism." All spiced up with cold war rhetoric, the liberation of Africa (sort of), the Dalai Llama, and the emergence of the McMahon Entertainment franchise (WWF). What comes around, . . . . . And in those days, calling their parents "hippies" was actually exactly accurate. Political swings occur all the time; so do periods of religious activism. I just wish the real activists would realize the one thing nearly all the various holy books have in common is the golden rule. That's do unto others, etc. Not the Wizard of Id version ((he who has the gold, makes the rules). For my ownself, I consider myself a secular humanist, most of the time. And a pious agnostic, the rest. Regards, all. |
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by Tenshinai
» Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:26 pm
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 That is incorrect. If it was correct, everyone closely within the same culture would have the same political view and they don´t. I wont even start on the idiotic claim about religion beyond noting that there are many people with little interest or knowledge nor indoctrination. By your statement, such people COULD not have a political view, which is just severe stupidity. And even within families, political views often differ. My own family, where my parents never tried to make us kids think any particular way (5 people total), we cover quite a wide swath of center-left to leftwing, voting mostly for 3 or some rare times 4 parties. My friend´s family however, also 5 people, runs from leftwing via centrist to rightwing, with his father a hardcore rightwinger trying to get the rest to vote with him, not working so well though, last i heard they voted for 5 different parties. |
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by Relax
» Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:39 pm
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Yes, and their religion is? Are they active, or just go through the motions occasionally? Athiest? All you did was tally their politics.
Overall, with the obvious caveat of a Bellcurve... Here in USA: Sorry, do not know Swedish Politics well enough to even dip a toe into the discussion stream. Could go into Confuscisim and Eastern Culture and how all of their politics is a direct reflection of it by and large. Will use USA as we have the largest number of religious groups of people. Near every Jew is Liberal. Often VERY liberal. Near every social conservative is a practicing Christian. Mormon, Moslem. Near every economical conservative is a practicing Christian or partial Christian who at one time was a practicing Christian or Atheist whose parents were Christian. Near every social liberal is either an Atheist, pantheism naturalist, or a Christian who has never even read the Bible or goes to Church. IE they are not a Christian. Just claim they are because for some reason they like the label. Near every economic liberal is an Atheist or one of the Methodist, Lutheran, "Holy roller" denominations who do not actually preach out of the Bible and instead make up some wishy washy pantheism "all is equal" or God is going to give you gold plated whatever just because you believe in him mindset. Obviously there are multiple shades in between these "groups", but by and large, this is how the politics bell curve is formed in a non authoritative totalitarian state where one is actually allowed to vote. We can go into the reasons these groups tend to vote this way, but do we really want to? Uh, ISIS folks don't vote. They are all in the authoritarian top down domination, my way or deaths gate for you politics, so there isn't any "politics" to speak of. _________
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