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Re: Uncompromising Honor chatter
Post by pushmar   » Tue May 14, 2019 1:43 pm

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And then there's the revelation the the Harringtons are an early Detweiler Alpha genotype, which more-or-less escaped (from the MAlign's point of view) from the Myerdahl system way back in the olden days, when Manticore was a backwater Verge system. Whether this was accidental, or there's a good story there about Richard and Marjorie Harrington is up to the author. Sounds like a neat little vignette.

But we already suspected that, right?

Not me, I just thought their increase intelligence was part of the Myerdahl package. Maybe Honor's geneticist mother will make some kind of connection in a future book. If the author doesn't want to play past 1923 PD anymore, he should at least write a short-story afterwords, I hope.

On the other hand, if a treecat meets another alpha genotype, are they more likely to bond with them? At least considering no sociopathic tendencies on the part of the human half (yeah, right), I think that would be - an interesting read. It could be the treecats themselves take down MAlign, with their neat little pulsers in true-hand.
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Re: Uncompromising Honor chatter
Post by cthia   » Tue May 14, 2019 10:32 pm

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pushmar wrote:And then there's the revelation the the Harringtons are an early Detweiler Alpha genotype, which more-or-less escaped (from the MAlign's point of view) from the Myerdahl system way back in the olden days, when Manticore was a backwater Verge system. Whether this was accidental, or there's a good story there about Richard and Marjorie Harrington is up to the author. Sounds like a neat little vignette.

But we already suspected that, right?

Not me, I just thought their increase intelligence was part of the Myerdahl package. Maybe Honor's geneticist mother will make some kind of connection in a future book. If the author doesn't want to play past 1923 PD anymore, he should at least write a short-story afterwords, I hope.

On the other hand, if a treecat meets another alpha genotype, are they more likely to bond with them? At least considering no sociopathic tendencies on the part of the human half (yeah, right), I think that would be - an interesting read. It could be the treecats themselves take down MAlign, with their neat little pulsers in true-hand.

I asked quite a few of the same questions awhile back. The MA are also Alphas, seeing as that treecats generally seem to be attracted to the smarter genome. It certainly seems possible, if Harahap is any indication. In fact, Harahap just might be the "missing link" between the possibility. :D

At any rate, it makes me wonder about a notion I broached some time ago about a possible conflict of interest between the cats and the two-legs on some upcoming matters, or irreconcilable differences. This passage reminded me of it . . .

UH wrote:Damien Harahap reached up to stroke Fire Watch’s ears gently as the treecat shifted on his shoulder. The ’cat hadn’t liked his person’s insistence that it would be wiser to leave his pulser aboard Tristram just this once, but that wasn’t the reason his muscles quivered with so much tension. It wasn’t difficult for Harahap to guess why they did, however, and he concentrated on thinking soothing thoughts.

That would have been easier if he hadn’t been so aware of the attitude of the red-haired, green-eyed lieutenant at the lift car’s control panel. Young Lieutenant Archer was not one of Damien Harahap’s admirers, and it seemed likely her flag lieutenant’s attitude mirrored Countess Gold Peak’s. That could be…unfortunate.

Fire Watch made a very soft hissing sound, and Harahap shook his head. None of that, he thought as hard as he could. We need to make a good impression on the lady. Trust me on that.

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“And this,” she said with a noticeable lack of warmth, “must be the infamous ‘Firebrand.’”

It wasn’t precisely a greeting, Harahap decided, and contented himself with a brief bow of acknowledgment. Fire Watch, on the other hand, flattened his ears at the admiral and Harahap felt his hand-feet’s claws sink deeper into the pad on his shoulder.

One of Gold Peak’s eyebrows rose slightly, and Harahap suppressed an urge to grimace. If anyone who’d never been adopted herself was going to understand treecat body language, it had to be Gold Peak, given her decades of friendship with Duchess Harrington and Nimitz. And the last thing they needed was for Fire Watch’s obvious belligerence to antagonize her.

I'm surprised that Harahap had to admonish Clean Killer in that regard. The 'cat should've long since absorbed as much manners about someone as important as the Queen's cousin of Nimitz' best friend, and how important it is to remain cordial and respectful to her. I can't imagine anything that would be more inappropriate, except maybe a treecat hissing at the Queen herself, or at Honor. I can just imagine another 'cat hissing at Honor in Nimitz' presence.

<Oh no you didn't!>

At any rate, if a cat does bond with a, let's say, Detweiler ( going whole hog) will the cat be a good influence on the Detweiler or will the Detweiler become a bad influence on the Cat? If bonding is anything like two-legs falling in love, we all can't help who our heart chooses.

What an eclectic cornucopia of interesting questions to use as wool while gathering.

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Re: Uncompromising Honor chatter
Post by tlb   » Wed May 15, 2019 7:16 am

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pushmar wrote:On the other hand, if a treecat meets another alpha genotype, are they more likely to bond with them? At least considering no sociopathic tendencies on the part of the human half (yeah, right), I think that would be - an interesting read. It could be the treecats themselves take down MAlign, with their neat little pulsers in true-hand.

cthia wrote:I asked quite a few of the same questions awhile back. The MA are also Alphas, seeing as that treecats generally seem to be attracted to the smarter genome. It certainly seems possible, if Harahap is any indication. In fact, Harahap just might be the "missing link" between the possibility.

Are you stating that you think Harahap is an Alpha? Because UH clearly states he is a native of the Startman System, which was heavily exploited by the StratoCorp Company starting when he was seven. He saw what that did to his parents and escaped by managing to get into the Gendarmes.
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Re: Uncompromising Honor chatter
Post by cthia   » Wed May 15, 2019 8:54 am

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tlb wrote:
pushmar wrote:On the other hand, if a treecat meets another alpha genotype, are they more likely to bond with them? At least considering no sociopathic tendencies on the part of the human half (yeah, right), I think that would be - an interesting read. It could be the treecats themselves take down MAlign, with their neat little pulsers in true-hand.

cthia wrote:I asked quite a few of the same questions awhile back. The MA are also Alphas, seeing as that treecats generally seem to be attracted to the smarter genome. It certainly seems possible, if Harahap is any indication. In fact, Harahap just might be the "missing link" between the possibility.

Are you stating that you think Harahap is an Alpha? Because UH clearly states he is a native of the Startman System, which was heavily exploited by the StratoCorp Company starting when he was seven. He saw what that did to his parents and escaped by managing to get into the Gendarmes.

I wouldn't dare accuse the author of being capable of something so Machiavellian. Heavens no. They do seem to have taken a liking to the Harrington genome.

Simply put, if the 'cats can look past someone who is "associated" with the evil doers who would kill them, someone who would help carry out their evil, someone who is as close to the Inner Onion as they've seen, then the human element, as we two-legs know it, doesn't seem to come into play. They judge by the color of the character, not of the skin or religious affiliations.

Which—represented by Harahap—opens the door to the possibility of bonding with someone inside the Onion. Hence, Harahap may be the missing link that leads to the notion. Little itty bitty steps.

Consider Michelle's own knee-jerk reaction. Her inner fires were obviously already burning, stoked, and ready to castrate him, which is what spurred Clean Killer's reaction when sensing her emotions.

The notion is deeply embedded in human nature. All of the Alignment's members may not be inherently evil.

God it hurt to say that!

There may be a Theisman, or a Pritchart, or a Foraker in the midst, who simply believe in a better tomorrow for all of mankind. There may be one who isn't a "product" of his environment, even though he is a "byproduct" of his environment. Who may not actually agree with all of the methods used by the powers that be. It would be interesting to see one of the sons bonded, and suffering through cataclysmic personal conflicts because of it. Who eventually brings the House of Malign down.

Scenario: Dispatch Boat is stopped and a member of Daddy's Daycare is inside. Unbeknownst to said Detweiler, he is going to bond with the first treecat. His entire outlook on life is forever altered.

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Re: Uncompromising Honor chatter
Post by pushmar   » Wed May 15, 2019 2:02 pm

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tlb wrote: Are you stating that you think Harahap is an Alpha? Because UH clearly states he is a native of the Startman System, which was heavily exploited by the StratoCorp Company starting when he was seven. He saw what that did to his parents and escaped by managing to get into the Gendarmes.


He may be, who knows? Perhaps unbeknownst to him. Maybe his family also "escaped" many generations before, as did Richard Harrington, with wife Marjorie and child Stephanie.

Now as for a 'cat bonding with a Detweiler, these is in-universe evidence of 'cats "repudiating" the bond. Forget where I read it. Once a treecat sees the evil in someone, it's over. Mentally unstable 'cats are very rare, likely wouldn't be allowed off Sphinx by the other 'cats.

There are so many places Mr. Weber could go with this, and I really hope he does. In fact, I think UH is one of the better HH books in the series as of late. As for a full novel, maybe, but I'd like to see short stories/novellas from David as well (Yeah, right! Is he capable of a short story? Still, I do like infodumps). Even if nothing again ever gets written in this universe, I'm satisfied.
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Re: Uncompromising Honor chatter
Post by cthia   » Wed May 15, 2019 4:00 pm

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tlb wrote: Are you stating that you think Harahap is an Alpha? Because UH clearly states he is a native of the Startman System, which was heavily exploited by the StratoCorp Company starting when he was seven. He saw what that did to his parents and escaped by managing to get into the Gendarmes.


pushmar wrote:He may be, who knows? Perhaps unbeknownst to him. Maybe his family also "escaped" many generations before, as did Richard Harrington, with wife Marjorie and child Stephanie.

Indeed. The author's options are open. Harahap could also be a lost Beta. Or Gamma. A top of the line Beta may be tastier to some of the 'cats than some of the "Alphas" I've witnessed. I'd rather hope Harahap is neither. I don't want the 'cats to lean (for lack of a better notion) toward "prejudiced" tendencies preferring elite genomes, but rather certain mindsets, which I hope can manifest itself anywhere.

pushmar wrote:Now as for a 'cat bonding with a Detweiler, these is in-universe evidence of 'cats "repudiating" the bond. Forget where I read it. Once a treecat sees the evil in someone, it's over. Mentally unstable 'cats are very rare, likely wouldn't be allowed off Sphinx by the other 'cats.

Indeed. But that's my point. You don't have to sell me on the notion the entire Malignant gang is a few screws short of a nut. But, there might be one good apple amongst the rotten bunch.

pushmar wrote:There are so many places Mr. Weber could go with this, and I really hope he does. In fact, I think UH is one of the better HH books in the series as of late. As for a full novel, maybe, but I'd like to see short stories/novellas from David as well (Yeah, right! Is he capable of a short story? Still, I do like infodumps). Even if nothing again ever gets written in this universe, I'm satisfied.

Interesting. I can't say I'm satisfied. The treecats have had no satisfaction for their grief. They deserve a chance at some revenge as well, a chance to sink their claws right up some MAsses. So the Memory Singers can sing a sound of joy to complement the awful tasting Yawata Song.

However, I do agree the author has done a fine job thus far.

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Re: Uncompromising Honor chatter
Post by cthia   » Fri May 17, 2019 3:52 am

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UH wrote:“Commodore Quigley’s on station, Ma’am,” Rear Admiral Rosiak said.

“Thank you, Bart.”

Jane Isotalo nodded as she leaned back in her command chair and studied the master plot. Millicent Quigley’s TG 1027.4 was the real reason she was prepared to spend missiles like water against a Manty squadron outside a limit. Unless she somehow managed to close to a much shorter range than the opposing commander was likely to allow, she didn’t expect to kill very many of the Manties—not when they could duck into hyper to avoid her fire. No doubt the Manty CO would be willing to let her waste a lot of missiles trying for kills, and under normal circumstances, Isotalo would have been concerned about the sorts of ammunition expenditures involved. In this case, however, Quigley’s three 7,500,000-ton Voyager-class freighters gave her rather deeper magazines than usual.

Unfortunately, the Voyagers were part of the Navy’s TUFT fleet: civilian vessels designated to be “Taken Up From Trade” in an emergency. The Federal Government subsidized the construction of TUFT units, which gave it first call on them if the Navy decided to call in its markers, but they weren’t designed to military-grade specifications and the Voyagers were a civilian design. They were unarmed and carried no active defenses. They were also sluggish compared to warships their size, which was why she’d moved Quigley’s freighters, the Atlas-class fleet repair vessel Hercules, and their escorting light cruisers and destroyers, to a position a half million kilometers astern of Vice Admiral Tsukahara’s TG 1027.3, her trailing group of battlecruisers. That gave them more time to dodge if anything nasty came their way, but it left them close enough to deploy additional Huskies for Tsukahara’s battlecruisers if they were needed.

I didn't think any unit that wasn't as fast as the fleet was a viable option, especially ammunition ships which must be protected. What gives? Is SL compensator design so far behind the curve that TUFT units are, tactically, a viable option?

At any rate, replenishing the Huskies on the run (LOL) is a nice piece of technology. Is this something the RMN can adopt?

BTW, TUFT units are simply a nice way of saying commandeered unit, essentially making it a CUFT unit.

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Re: Uncompromising Honor chatter
Post by Armed Neo-Bob   » Sun May 19, 2019 7:45 pm

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pushmar wrote:And then there's the revelation the the Harringtons are an early Detweiler Alpha genotype, which more-or-less escaped (from the MAlign's point of view) from the Myerdahl system way back in the olden days, when Manticore was a backwater Verge system. Whether this was accidental, or there's a good story there about Richard and Marjorie Harrington is up to the author. Sounds like a neat little vignette.

But we already suspected that, right?

Not me, I just thought their increase intelligence was part of the Myerdahl package. Maybe Honor's geneticist mother will make some kind of connection in a future book. If the author doesn't want to play past 1923 PD anymore, he should at least write a short-story afterwords, I hope.

On the other hand, if a treecat meets another alpha genotype, are they more likely to bond with them? At least considering no sociopathic tendencies on the part of the human half (yeah, right), I think that would be - an interesting read. It could be the treecats themselves take down MAlign, with their neat little pulsers in true-hand.


It was part of the beta mods. The Detweiler intel mods may be based on this one, or derived from (or too similar to) those used to "upgrade" the military in the Final War (see also: commentary regarding Scrags in "From the Highlands" and Crown of Slaves). I bolded part of it.

Rob
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"You and I have never discussed this, mainly because there was no need to," she began, "but as I say, I've watched you and Nimitz together from the very first day. And because I have, I realized years ago that your relationship had begun changing. I've seen enough other bonded pairs to know your link was always a bit different, and I went back and looked over the Harrington medical records very carefully when you were just a little girl. On the basis of my study, I think there's a specific reason so many Harringtons have been adopted over the years."

"You do?" Honor had forgotten the cookie in her hand, and her good eye was very intent as she gazed into her mother's face.

"I do. I started out by looking at precisely what was involved in the Meyerdahl genetic mods. Most people don't realize it, but there were actually four different modification sets within the single project. By this time they've intermingled enough to lose some of their original differentiation, but like a lot of other 'locked' mods, they've managed to stay remarkably stable and dominant over the generations.

"You and your father are direct descendants of the Meyerdahl Beta mod. I won't go into all the specifics, which wouldn't mean a great deal to you, anyway, but most of what it gave you is exactly what all the Meyerdahl recipients got: more efficient muscles, enhanced reaction speed, stronger bones, tougher cardiovascular and respiratory systems, and so on. But the Meyerdahl Betas also got what they used to call an 'IQ enhancer.' We've learned enough more about human intelligence since then that reputable geneticists refuse to tinker with it except under extraordinary conditions. For the most part, you can only enhance one aspect of the entire complex of attributes we think of as 'intelligence' at the expense of other aspects. That isn't an absolute, but it works as a rule of thumb, and it's one reason I never mentioned my research to you or your dad. There was no reason to—and the . . . less successful efforts at engineered intelligence were one reason Old Earth's Final War was as bad as it was. And one reason humanity in general turned so strongly against the entire concept of engineering human genes at all."
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Re: Uncompromising Honor chatter
Post by runsforcelery   » Mon May 20, 2019 7:50 am

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cthia wrote:
pushmar wrote:And then there's the revelation the the Harringtons are an early Detweiler Alpha genotype, which more-or-less escaped (from the MAlign's point of view) from the Myerdahl system way back in the olden days, when Manticore was a backwater Verge system. Whether this was accidental, or there's a good story there about Richard and Marjorie Harrington is up to the author. Sounds like a neat little vignette.

But we already suspected that, right?

Not me, I just thought their increase intelligence was part of the Myerdahl package. Maybe Honor's geneticist mother will make some kind of connection in a future book. If the author doesn't want to play past 1923 PD anymore, he should at least write a short-story afterwords, I hope.

On the other hand, if a treecat meets another alpha genotype, are they more likely to bond with them? At least considering no sociopathic tendencies on the part of the human half (yeah, right), I think that would be - an interesting read. It could be the treecats themselves take down MAlign, with their neat little pulsers in true-hand.

I asked quite a few of the same questions awhile back. The MA are also Alphas, seeing as that treecats generally seem to be attracted to the smarter genome. It certainly seems possible, if Harahap is any indication. In fact, Harahap just might be the "missing link" between the possibility. :D

At any rate, it makes me wonder about a notion I broached some time ago about a possible conflict of interest between the cats and the two-legs on some upcoming matters, or irreconcilable differences. This passage reminded me of it . . .

UH wrote:Damien Harahap reached up to stroke Fire Watch’s ears gently as the treecat shifted on his shoulder. The ’cat hadn’t liked his person’s insistence that it would be wiser to leave his pulser aboard Tristram just this once, but that wasn’t the reason his muscles quivered with so much tension. It wasn’t difficult for Harahap to guess why they did, however, and he concentrated on thinking soothing thoughts.

That would have been easier if he hadn’t been so aware of the attitude of the red-haired, green-eyed lieutenant at the lift car’s control panel. Young Lieutenant Archer was not one of Damien Harahap’s admirers, and it seemed likely her flag lieutenant’s attitude mirrored Countess Gold Peak’s. That could be…unfortunate.

Fire Watch made a very soft hissing sound, and Harahap shook his head. None of that, he thought as hard as he could. We need to make a good impression on the lady. Trust me on that.

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“And this,” she said with a noticeable lack of warmth, “must be the infamous ‘Firebrand.’”

It wasn’t precisely a greeting, Harahap decided, and contented himself with a brief bow of acknowledgment. Fire Watch, on the other hand, flattened his ears at the admiral and Harahap felt his hand-feet’s claws sink deeper into the pad on his shoulder.

One of Gold Peak’s eyebrows rose slightly, and Harahap suppressed an urge to grimace. If anyone who’d never been adopted herself was going to understand treecat body language, it had to be Gold Peak, given her decades of friendship with Duchess Harrington and Nimitz. And the last thing they needed was for Fire Watch’s obvious belligerence to antagonize her.

I'm surprised that Harahap had to admonish Clean Killer in that regard. The 'cat should've long since absorbed as much manners about someone as important as the Queen's cousin of Nimitz' best friend, and how important it is to remain cordial and respectful to her. I can't imagine anything that would be more inappropriate, except maybe a treecat hissing at the Queen herself, or at Honor. I can just imagine another 'cat hissing at Honor in Nimitz' presence.

<Oh no you didn't!>

At any rate, if a cat does bond with a, let's say, Detweiler ( going whole hog) will the cat be a good influence on the Detweiler or will the Detweiler become a bad influence on the Cat? If bonding is anything like two-legs falling in love, we all can't help who our heart chooses.

What an eclectic cornucopia of interesting questions to use as wool while gathering.



Treecats don't dissemble well. It has something to do with being a telempathic species which can't hide its emotions from other treecats no matter how hard it tries. So physical cues aren't something that they worry about a lot. And treecats basically think that most two-legs' notions of proper etiquette are silly things that poor mind-blind creatures have to put up with because they can't mind-speak to each other.

Having said that, you might consider that all Fire Watch did was to flatten his ears. He didn't hiss, he didn't show his fangs. He indicated his . . . unhappiness and disagreement with Michelle's attitude towards his person with a physical cue he knew she would recognize. And when it comes to social situations involving their people, treecats aren't the most subtle of individuals at any time. Which, for that matter, Michelle would know and understand much better than most two-legs.

Harahap's admonition to Fire Watch was much more in the nature of reassurance to Fire Watch than it was born of any true concern that Henke would misinterpret the 'cat's response.


And I think you may safely assume that as soon as any treecat got a taste of the mind-glow of anyone who could murder (or approve of murdering) 43,000,000 people in cold blood in the service of any ideology, that mind-glow would promptly cease to be a factor in the future history of the galaxy. Treecats are very direct, pragmatic souls, and any mindset that buys into the concept "one death is a tragedy, one million deaths is a statistic" in order to justify an ideology-induced atrocity would be anathema to their shared worldview. And it is a shared worldview, thanks in no small part to the memory singers. There may be individual clans who disagree with one another about how to interpret and/or implement some facet of that worldview, but the basics are genuinely shared.


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Re: Uncompromising Honor chatter
Post by Jonathan_S   » Wed May 22, 2019 5:26 pm

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cthia wrote:
UH wrote:“Commodore Quigley’s on station, Ma’am,” Rear Admiral Rosiak said.

“Thank you, Bart.”

Jane Isotalo nodded as she leaned back in her command chair and studied the master plot. Millicent Quigley’s TG 1027.4 was the real reason she was prepared to spend missiles like water against a Manty squadron outside a limit. Unless she somehow managed to close to a much shorter range than the opposing commander was likely to allow, she didn’t expect to kill very many of the Manties—not when they could duck into hyper to avoid her fire. No doubt the Manty CO would be willing to let her waste a lot of missiles trying for kills, and under normal circumstances, Isotalo would have been concerned about the sorts of ammunition expenditures involved. In this case, however, Quigley’s three 7,500,000-ton Voyager-class freighters gave her rather deeper magazines than usual.

Unfortunately, the Voyagers were part of the Navy’s TUFT fleet: civilian vessels designated to be “Taken Up From Trade” in an emergency. The Federal Government subsidized the construction of TUFT units, which gave it first call on them if the Navy decided to call in its markers, but they weren’t designed to military-grade specifications and the Voyagers were a civilian design. They were unarmed and carried no active defenses. They were also sluggish compared to warships their size, which was why she’d moved Quigley’s freighters, the Atlas-class fleet repair vessel Hercules, and their escorting light cruisers and destroyers, to a position a half million kilometers astern of Vice Admiral Tsukahara’s TG 1027.3, her trailing group of battlecruisers. That gave them more time to dodge if anything nasty came their way, but it left them close enough to deploy additional Huskies for Tsukahara’s battlecruisers if they were needed.

I didn't think any unit that wasn't as fast as the fleet was a viable option, especially ammunition ships which must be protected. What gives? Is SL compensator design so far behind the curve that TUFT units are, tactically, a viable option?

At any rate, replenishing the Huskies on the run (LOL) is a nice piece of technology. Is this something the RMN can adopt?

BTW, TUFT units are simply a nice way of saying commandeered unit, essentially making it a CUFT unit.

I suspect that when the League subsidized construction of the TUFT ships they weren't thinking of using them in any tactical scenario. I suspect they were suppose to be a cost effective way to have a fleet train and replenishment logistics on the rare occasions the SLN needed to do a long deployment.

I think from that description that they don't even have the strategic speed of Manticore's first war JNMTC freighters (which had been upgraded to military hypergenerators; allowing them to reach the ETA bands - making them almost twice as fast strategically as normal freighters).

So it seems the Voyager class is better than nothing, and probably the modifications the League payed for include better capability to carry and transfer naval logistics; but they're a long way from what a Navy would want for fleet support or even for supplying forward bases. However the ability to recall them on demand and use them in combat zones still makes the TUFT program a win over trying to charter commercial shipping lines to provide fleet support. But I can't imagine they were ever intended to be anywhere near a tactical fight -- but needs must and the SLN detachment clearly wasn't willing to put it's support ships too far away (certainly even if the Voyager could provide pods in a semi-tactical timeframe the repair ship had no business being in the same system as the fight -- go park it and its minders safely out of the way at a deep space rendezvous -- and call it back after the battle if there is a ship that can't reach the rendezvous without repair.
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