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Re: Manticore Quadrant
Post by ldwechsler   » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:10 pm

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Theemile wrote:
...systems which decline to seek admission or fail to meet the required milestone will be retained permanently in protectorate status, although there is provision under the Act for this to be amended."


So there currently is no clause for system freedom. It's either You progress to, and vote on, full system citizen status, or you stay a junior partner with limited status forever.



That's putting in a very negative light. The main element is to stop piracy, something really necessary. Some protectorates got treated pretty well even here on earth. Check out the Philippines.
After a bit of preliminary nastiness, things were fairly smooth.
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Re: Manticore Quadrant
Post by stewart   » Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:38 pm

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Louis R wrote:Annexation is optional, and no, systems that don't opt to join the SEM won't be looking over their shoulders at the Andies. Or anybody else, for that matter. Here's the current situation, from House of Steel:

"By contrast, the SEM-administered areas have been treated somewhat more gently. By and large, the Star Empire has allowed local governments to continue functioning, subject to the adoption of personal liberties laws matching those of the Manticoran constitution and monitoring by Manticoran Foreign Office advisors. A small number, however, have been placed under direct Manticoran control, with appointive governors, due to special local circumstances, generally related to residual corruption, cronyism, human rights violations, and support for local brigandage. Each star system will be allowed an individual plebiscite on the decision to become full, permanent members of the Star Empire, on approximately the same terms as the Talbott Cluster, pending the completion of certain specifically defined milestones related to human rights, electoral participation, and government and law enforcement transparency. Under the Silesian Protectorate Act as adopted by Parliament, systems which decline to seek admission or fail to meet the required milestone will be retained permanently in protectorate status, although there is provision under the Act for this to be amended."




It would make sense for both Manticore and Anderman NOT to have interspersing planets.

And those planets not acceding to some level of control would probably be helping pirates. Manticore seems to rule with a very light hand.


David did mention that the Manties were not treating the Silesian territories the same way as the Talbott territories. Annexation might not be an option, it might be mandatory for all 34-ish planets. With the games Silesia has been playing for 400 years, Manticore may not have a choice if they want to be part of the solution going forward.

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I would suspect that the Silesian systems (at least those in Manticoran Silesia) will be watching the comparative growth and benefits of Dresden and Nuncio as compared to New Tuscany and Marion, who opted for independence rather than membership.
Trade and internal customs as well as external security are BIG carrots.
Being an independent system with a known "history" and neighbors who know that history can have issues.
And then there is the "reformed Ballroom" to organize plebicides in former "pleasure planets" and former depot planets.....

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Re: Manticore Quadrant
Post by ldwechsler   » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:38 pm

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stewart wrote:
Louis R wrote:Annexation is optional, and no, systems that don't opt to join the SEM won't be looking over their shoulders at the Andies. Or anybody else, for that matter. Here's the current situation, from House of Steel:

"By contrast, the SEM-administered areas have been treated somewhat more gently. By and large, the Star Empire has allowed local governments to continue functioning, subject to the adoption of personal liberties laws matching those of the Manticoran constitution and monitoring by Manticoran Foreign Office advisors. A small number, however, have been placed under direct Manticoran control, with appointive governors, due to special local circumstances, generally related to residual corruption, cronyism, human rights violations, and support for local brigandage. Each star system will be allowed an individual plebiscite on the decision to become full, permanent members of the Star Empire, on approximately the same terms as the Talbott Cluster, pending the completion of certain specifically defined milestones related to human rights, electoral participation, and government and law enforcement transparency. Under the Silesian Protectorate Act as adopted by Parliament, systems which decline to seek admission or fail to meet the required milestone will be retained permanently in protectorate status, although there is provision under the Act for this to be amended."




It would make sense for both Manticore and Anderman NOT to have interspersing planets.

And those planets not acceding to some level of control would probably be helping pirates. Manticore seems to rule with a very light hand.


David did mention that the Manties were not treating the Silesian territories the same way as the Talbott territories. Annexation might not be an option, it might be mandatory for all 34-ish planets. With the games Silesia has been playing for 400 years, Manticore may not have a choice if they want to be part of the solution going forward.

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I would suspect that the Silesian systems (at least those in Manticoran Silesia) will be watching the comparative growth and benefits of Dresden and Nuncio as compared to New Tuscany and Marion, who opted for independence rather than membership.
Trade and internal customs as well as external security are BIG carrots.
Being an independent system with a known "history" and neighbors who know that history can have issues.
And then there is the "reformed Ballroom" to organize plebicides in former "pleasure planets" and former depot planets.....

-- Stewart


There are a lot of possibilities and we may not known them until the new arc...a generation down the line.
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