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Mesan Alignment - Back on Balance

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Re: Mesan Alignment - Back on Balance
Post by runsforcelery   » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:21 pm

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cthia wrote:
And of course, the MA's tech was/is still unfinished. So who's to say how stealthy the final versions will be. Even before decades of more work. Or even what accompanying tech there will be.

I'd like to know how powerful the RFN will be.



Really?

I'll have to get back to you on that.

At some point. :twisted:


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Re: Mesan Alignment - Back on Balance
Post by cthia   » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:18 am

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runsforcelery wrote:
cthia wrote:
And of course, the MA's tech was/is still unfinished. So who's to say how stealthy the final versions will be. Even before decades of more work. Or even what accompanying tech there will be.

I'd like to know how powerful the RFN will be.



Really?

I'll have to get back to you on that.

At some point. :twisted:


Wait, what? You can't just, you can't...

So the tech is finished? Hot diggity damn! The Lenny Dees are ready to roll?!!!

Perhaps they're just working up! Perhaps they're already en route to the Haven sector! Perhaps they've already laid waste to some system! Perhaps they have a wormhole in mind! Perhaps.......... W E B E RRRRRRRRRRR!

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Re: Mesan Alignment - Back on Balance
Post by Sigs   » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:28 pm

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cthia wrote:What strategy and tactics should they adopt?

How should the Lenny Dets and the Sharks be used?


The best strategy for them should be to hide from the rest of society, leave the rest of the Galaxy alone and expand on their own. If they start looking for systems farther away from the rest of Humanity and colonize and industrialize those systems they can become a major power over the next couple of centuries. Basically come out a couple of centuries down the road with dozens of heavily industrialized systems heavily protected and essentially model their way of life. If their society is so much better then the rest of humanity and their way of life is really so much better then the rest of humanity then that is going to convince the rest of humanity to join them rather then fight them.

The MA has the ability to grow their populations at a lot faster rate than pretty much anyone else, they may start with only a few billion people but a hundred years down the road they could be a nation of dozens of systems with hundreds of billions of people... or they can spend the next couple of hundred years confined to Darius and trying to manipulate the rest of the Galaxy to get what they want all the while being open to accidental discovery of Darius and the end of the MA.
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Re: Mesan Alignment - Back on Balance
Post by ywing14   » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:13 pm

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Sigs wrote:
cthia wrote:What strategy and tactics should they adopt?

How should the Lenny Dets and the Sharks be used?


The best strategy for them should be to hide from the rest of society, leave the rest of the Galaxy alone and expand on their own. If they start looking for systems farther away from the rest of Humanity and colonize and industrialize those systems they can become a major power over the next couple of centuries. Basically come out a couple of centuries down the road with dozens of heavily industrialized systems heavily protected and essentially model their way of life. If their society is so much better then the rest of humanity and their way of life is really so much better then the rest of humanity then that is going to convince the rest of humanity to join them rather then fight them.

The MA has the ability to grow their populations at a lot faster rate than pretty much anyone else, they may start with only a few billion people but a hundred years down the road they could be a nation of dozens of systems with hundreds of billions of people... or they can spend the next couple of hundred years confined to Darius and trying to manipulate the rest of the Galaxy to get what they want all the while being open to accidental discovery of Darius and the end of the MA.


I agree they need to hide, however expanding beyond a single system increases the chance of their detection. Additionally, I think adding more planets with genetic slavery would undermine their goals and alienate members of Onion.
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Re: Mesan Alignment - Back on Balance
Post by Annachie   » Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:55 pm

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I suspect their best plan is to covertly support thr RF, while setting up a false MAlign home/whatever to be conviently, and visibly, destroyed.
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Re: Mesan Alignment - Back on Balance
Post by ywing14   » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:18 pm

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Annachie wrote:I suspect their best plan is to covertly support thr RF, while setting up a false MAlign home/whatever to be conviently, and visibly, destroyed.


I agree this would probably be their best plan.

However, I think one of the MAlign's biggest concerns needs to be tree cats. If anyone in the diplomatic corps has one and gets near some of these RF leaders it could cause trouble for the RF.
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Re: Mesan Alignment - Back on Balance
Post by ywing14   » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:29 pm

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I am also interested in how many people the MAlign failed to get out of Mesa because of Gold Peak and Tourville. Obviously they moved their most squeamish and important folks out first. But it looks like they were unable to at least get out some people. I wonder what kind of hit they've taken on that end.
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Re: Mesan Alignment - Back on Balance
Post by Eagleeye   » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:49 pm

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ywing14 wrote:I am also interested in how many people the MAlign failed to get out of Mesa because of Gold Peak and Tourville. Obviously they moved their most squeamish and important folks out first. But it looks like they were unable to at least get out some people. I wonder what kind of hit they've taken on that end.


Doesn't matter - or that's at least, how it plan it to work. Because of that "final gift", Albrecht and Evelyn presented to Mike Henke - the explosions. My 2 cent say, that at least some of these explosions happened to be near enough to several collecting points to make sure they got >99.5% of the remaining Alignment-people on the evacuation lists.
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Re: Mesan Alignment - Back on Balance
Post by ywing14   » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:05 pm

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Eagleeye wrote:
ywing14 wrote:I am also interested in how many people the MAlign failed to get out of Mesa because of Gold Peak and Tourville. Obviously they moved their most squeamish and important folks out first. But it looks like they were unable to at least get out some people. I wonder what kind of hit they've taken on that end.


Doesn't matter - or that's at least, how it plan it to work. Because of that "final gift", Albrecht and Evelyn presented to Mike Henke - the explosions. My 2 cent say, that at least some of these explosions happened to be near enough to several collecting points to make sure they got >99.5% of the remaining Alignment-people on the evacuation lists.


I don't really mean from an intelligence standpoint for Manticore. I mean for the Onion's internal dynamics. They had to shorten the list because of the rushed Houdini Op and now not all of the folks got out. I'm just wondering what kind of folks they lost in the exchange
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Re: Mesan Alignment - Back on Balance
Post by Sigs   » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:15 pm

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ywing14 wrote:
I agree they need to hide, however expanding beyond a single system increases the chance of their detection. Additionally, I think adding more planets with genetic slavery would undermine their goals and alienate members of Onion.

Expand away from colonized space, and avoid genetic slavery like the plague. You can get population increases the same way you got those slaves, the difference is how you treat them after they are born.
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