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Spoiler Captured Mesan Navy Ships
Post by Nimitz1923PD   » Sat May 26, 2018 1:36 pm

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It boogles the mind what Manticore & Haven can do with all those Mesan military & civilian registar ships to the RF/Sollies/outlaw OFS/Pirates

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Re: Spoiler Captured Mesan Navy Ships
Post by munroburton   » Sun May 27, 2018 4:22 am

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Not very much, really. The Mesan system navy never had a heavier warship than a BC. All are obsolete crap too.

As for their freighters, Manticore already has too many freighters and not enough work(many of those Solarian contracts are not coming back even if the peace sticks). Not too sure any purpose-built ships with slave equipment could be reused anyway - due to one of the Cherwell provisions.

Bear in mind that the Mesa system does still need a navy - but one which protects its full population, rather than helping the ruling class to stay on top.

It is in the GA's interests to make sure a government friendly to them arises on Mesa and then is capable of looking after its own system and termini. Even with the Lynx-Manticore link, Mesa is still very far away.
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Re: Spoiler Captured Mesan Navy Ships
Post by ldwechsler   » Sun May 27, 2018 8:52 am

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munroburton wrote:Not very much, really. The Mesan system navy never had a heavier warship than a BC. All are obsolete crap too.

As for their freighters, Manticore already has too many freighters and not enough work(many of those Solarian contracts are not coming back even if the peace sticks). Not too sure any purpose-built ships with slave equipment could be reused anyway - due to one of the Cherwell provisions.

Bear in mind that the Mesa system does still need a navy - but one which protects its full population, rather than helping the ruling class to stay on top.

It is in the GA's interests to make sure a government friendly to them arises on Mesa and then is capable of looking after its own system and termini. Even with the Lynx-Manticore link, Mesa is still very far away.


The Manties have been training people in the Torch Navy. They could do the same for Mesa...which now might be part of that same navy, come to think about it.
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Re: Spoiler Captured Mesan Navy Ships
Post by Nimitz1923PD   » Sun May 27, 2018 12:55 pm

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ldwechsler wrote:
munroburton wrote:Not very much, really. The Mesan system navy never had a heavier warship than a BC. All are obsolete crap too.

As for their freighters, Manticore already has too many freighters and not enough work(many of those Solarian contracts are not coming back even if the peace sticks). Not too sure any purpose-built ships with slave equipment could be reused anyway - due to one of the Cherwell provisions.

Bear in mind that the Mesa system does still need a navy - but one which protects its full population, rather than helping the ruling class to stay on top.

It is in the GA's interests to make sure a government friendly to them arises on Mesa and then is capable of looking after its own system and termini. Even with the Lynx-Manticore link, Mesa is still very far away.


The Manties have been training people in the Torch Navy. They could do the same for Mesa...which now might be part of that same navy, come to think about it.


A Mesan Battlecruiser crewed by Torch Navy personel is a kind of poetic irony isn't it.

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Re: Spoiler Captured Mesan Navy Ships
Post by munroburton   » Sun May 27, 2018 1:53 pm

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ldwechsler wrote:
munroburton wrote:It is in the GA's interests to make sure a government friendly to them arises on Mesa and then is capable of looking after its own system and termini. Even with the Lynx-Manticore link, Mesa is still very far away.


The Manties have been training people in the Torch Navy. They could do the same for Mesa...which now might be part of that same navy, come to think about it.


Indeed. Unfortunately, Torch is even further away from Mesa than Manticore is. They're on almost directly opposite sides of Sol. Wormhole connections might be able to shorten the distance, but neither Torch nor Mesa controls the intervening termini.

In fact, unless there are better placed wormhole bridges not known to us readers, Torch's fastest route to Mesa would pass through Visigoth. Danger!

I wouldn't expect to see Torch and Mesa unified. Closely allied and with many things in common, yes, but astrographical conditions are simply against them.
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Re: Spoiler Captured Mesan Navy Ships
Post by feyhunde   » Sun May 27, 2018 3:14 pm

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munroburton wrote:In fact, unless there are better placed wormhole bridges not known to us readers, Torch's fastest route to Mesa would pass through Visigoth. Danger!


I mean there is, but it the MAlign's secret bridge.
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Re: Spoiler Captured Mesan Navy Ships
Post by Nimitz1923PD   » Sun May 27, 2018 3:17 pm

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:?: 10th fleet is now in control of The Mesa-Visigoth wormhole on both ends "UH"
Torch-Erewon-Visigoth thru the Manti Junction is less than 6 weeks
Considering Torch's head of all things military is on Mesa. I am sure they can send a few "Diplomats"

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Re: Spoiler Captured Mesan Navy Ships
Post by kzt   » Sun May 27, 2018 4:08 pm

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Nimitz1923PD wrote::?: 10th fleet is now in control of The Mesa-Visigoth wormhole on both ends "UH"
Torch-Erewon-Visigoth thru the Manti Junction is less than 6 weeks
Considering Torch's head of all things military is on Mesa. I am sure they can send a few "Diplomats"

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For now. Unless they plan on that second war with the SL it isn't going to last. And I suspect that WH will generally end up with at least moderate fortifications over the next decade.
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Re: Spoiler Captured Mesan Navy Ships
Post by Nimitz1923PD   » Sun May 27, 2018 4:16 pm

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kzt wrote:
Nimitz1923PD wrote::?: 10th fleet is now in control of The Mesa-Visigoth wormhole on both ends "UH"
Torch-Erewon-Visigoth thru the Manti Junction is less than 6 weeks
Considering Torch's head of all things military is on Mesa. I am sure they can send a few "Diplomats"

Nimitz

For now. Unless they plan on that second war with the SL it isn't going to last. And I suspect that WH will generally end up with at least moderate fortifications over the next decade.


True after the defeat of the SLN on SOL - I wonder how many System Defence Forces want to stick thier heads in the Lions Mouth i.e. GA for the glory of the RF or MA

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Re: Spoiler Captured Mesan Navy Ships
Post by munroburton   » Sun May 27, 2018 5:29 pm

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feyhunde wrote:
munroburton wrote:In fact, unless there are better placed wormhole bridges not known to us readers, Torch's fastest route to Mesa would pass through Visigoth. Danger!


I mean there is, but it the MAlign's secret bridge.


It's not really in use by Torch.

Even if it was, we don't know that the Felix or any of its connecting termini are anywhere near Mesa. The shortest known route is Congo-Erewhon-Phoenix-Manticore-Beowulf-Visigoth-Mesa. Four wormhole jumps and something like two to four weeks of hypering between termini.

Tenth Fleet cannot maintain control over the Visigoth Junction forever.

It just seems too tenous a connection to form a two-system nation with.
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