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Re: Call to Vengeance Ramblings SPOILERS
Post by n7axw   » Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:34 pm

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Jonathan_S wrote:
n7axw wrote:1. Yes it would have been the Andermani who took the prizes. Where does the notion that the Volsung ships were antiquated come from? The Volsung base had provision for ship repair and had people on hand who could have been busy updating on those hulls that couldn't be gotten out of the yard in time for the confrontation with the Andermani. I will grant you that overall, the Volsungs were behind the Andermani, but probably not by that much. The decisive factor in the confrontation wasn't the tech. It was the battleship. How old the battleship was we don't know; all we are really told was that it had been seriously damaged in combat and apparently been repaired.

2. The way the story is told, Casey is behind the Andermani technologically, but not badly so. Where Travis and his fellow crew members on Casey were feeling at a disadvantage was with the training, the institutional knowledge and experience the Andermani could take for granted.

3.Had Manticore been able to crew its ships and not neglected its logistics, even those "antiquated" battle cruisers could have given its opponents a serious fight. The exception to that would be the League navy which at that time would have represented the galaxy's latest and greatest.
Actually, based off what RFC said during a con panel (sorry I no longer remember which one) at this point the SLN was a pretty small thing. In fact as I recall it he said that Gustov basically invented the first battleship for his mercenary force (then often employed by the League as they didn't have that serious a navy at the time) as kind of a going away upgrade as he was preparing to go found his empire.

Basically the League said, fine you can go and you can have this new uber-ship built as long as you turn over the plans and we can buy the next batch the yard builds. That seems to have been the point where the League switched from just SDFs and hiring military contractors when needed towards having a large (the largest) standing navy.

So right at the moment the League ships probably aren't significantly more advanced than the Andermani ones -- only in whatever upgrades they've gotten in the decades since Gustov left League space and founded his empire. Because his stuff was apparently top of the line, cutting edge, when he left.


Interesting. Did Gustav get just the one ship on those terms? Or were there more? I find it intriguing that they would have said welcome to your battleship(s)?? After which Gustav goes off and plays conquistador... I wonder if the League approved of that...

Just a brief comment about previous discussion of "antiquated ships". The RMN had one model (reference House of Steel) that lasted over 250 years with regular overhauls which I think it safe to say updates -- the AdAstra class Dreadnought. That says something about the rate of change and, I thought, worth a chuckle.

Don

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Re: Call to Vengeance Ramblings SPOILERS
Post by Randomiser   » Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:37 am

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Well of course you take prizes, unless specifically ordered not to do so, because prizes mean large bonuses for the force that takes them. If the IAN doesn't want these destroyers etc, there will be lots of "friendly", far-away fringe systems only too delighted to buy them up, much cheaper than they could build them certainly, which will still mean a big payday for the officers and crew.
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Re: Call to Vengeance Ramblings SPOILERS
Post by Brigade XO   » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:58 pm

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Probably the largest impedimente to the Andermani takeing Volsung ships as prizes is the ability to get them to the nearest Andermani base/ logistic point. That would be because you have to use your own people drafted from your ships to make up at least a skeleton crew (minimum one watch probably two) and just keep them running as well as navigate them home.
About the situation of Hexapuma taking that freighter at Montana only just going home, not trying to play spy games nor taking it through a wormhole.
Any of the Volsung ships that took major damage would probably not be worth it but if a ships engines, communications/minimal tactical, nav systems, power plant and environmental systems were alright then go for it. Your not planning of fighting anybody. Your also not supporting a full crew. You can also be paired up with one of the Andermani ships to travel in company so if there is a problem that crops up (other than catastrophic failure of something) you can have help.
So go for it. Take a few home.
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Re: Call to Vengeance Ramblings SPOILERS
Post by n7axw   » Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:54 pm

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Brigade XO wrote:Probably the largest impedimente to the Andermani takeing Volsung ships as prizes is the ability to get them to the nearest Andermani base/ logistic point. That would be because you have to use your own people drafted from your ships to make up at least a skeleton crew (minimum one watch probably two) and just keep them running as well as navigate them home.
About the situation of Hexapuma taking that freighter at Montana only just going home, not trying to play spy games nor taking it through a wormhole.
Any of the Volsung ships that took major damage would probably not be worth it but if a ships engines, communications/minimal tactical, nav systems, power plant and environmental systems were alright then go for it. Your not planning of fighting anybody. Your also not supporting a full crew. You can also be paired up with one of the Andermani ships to travel in company so if there is a problem that crops up (other than catastrophic failure of something) you can have help.
So go for it. Take a few home.


We don't really know that any Volsung warships survived the engagement. All we are told is that the bc is taken out. That leaves the possibility of survival and surrender for at least some of the others.

But those freighters would be fair game. After they hauled the Volsung survivors to Sachsen, they would be fair game for the Andermani merchant marine.

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Re: Call to Vengeance Ramblings SPOILERS
Post by Fox2!   » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:36 am

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Armed Neo-Bob wrote:It is an interesting difference that later the Chancellor of the Exchequer is the number two member of the PM's party (i.e., Baroness Mourncreek would take over the PM's job if something happened to Willie Alexander). That is obviously not the case yet.

Regards,
Rob


I don't think either house of Parliament has settled into formal factions at this time. Power, at least in the Lords, seems to be built around individual peers as power centers, with friendship, shared interest, mutual ambition, and shared peculation being the glue holding groups together.
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