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Re: BEOWULF - THE KARMA SUITSYA
Post by cthia   » Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:00 am

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Joat42 wrote:I have helped people out of abusive relationships, and I know how they would react if they had read your post in the context you gave:

I've been there quite a few times myself Joat. Went so far as putting up a woman and her three kids for almost a year and a half while I was fresh out of college. It strained my own relationship too, to the point of breaking. I lost that gf. But I'd do it all over again.

I also know how the many women I've been involved with who've found themselves in this predicament would react to what I said as well.

As humans, we have all experienced the ugly side of marriage. Either our own, our parents, our friends or our associates. Or simply seen it on the street or while innocently shopping in a market while going about our daily lives, because confrontation can crop up anywhere.

These are ugly truths for certain, but pointing these truths out is hardly in bad taste. Many women would love for man - and his legal system - to put a finger on and get a handle on it. It is certainly a man's world, and his laws aren't exactly geared to protect the innocent, helpless and abused wives. Are they? This is changing thank God, albeit much too slowly, witnessed by the fairly recent laws that now require an automatic 24hr incarceration for assault on a spouse.

A woman must be armed with certain truths so she can learn to protect herself. There are certain dos and don'ts while in an abusive relationship. Sugar coating it is not helping the victims. They need truth, as well as, understanding. The law can't do much to the idiot until she's maimed or dead. (The GA can't do much to the Mandarins until many Beowulfans and more are dead. Revenge is little consolation to the dead and gone.)

Many women who have gone through the ordeal hold support groups for other women who are just beginning the journey. . . or considering it. They tell them the very same things I have shared in this forum. And they sure as hell don't sugar coat it. THESE ARE TOOLS FOR SURVIVAL. Know your enemy. Know the psychology of the human element driving his insanity.

A woman can't just choose to leave an abusive relationship and not properly prepare for it. Leaving an abusive relationship is like preparing to go on a long vacation that calls for lots of packing and planning. The woman can't simply leave if she has children. She must think of their safety too. Beowulf had children to protect - her citizens. The husband has rights as well. They aren't automatically stripped because he is abusive. It is illegal for a woman to simply run with a husband's kids. She must follow through with formalities to get out of a marriage, and in the interim she is still charged with carrying on her wifely duties, because she is still his wife. Beowulf has to suffer these same formalities by holding a referendum. That is why it was once prudent to be counseled before marriage. It is a serious commitment. And Beowulf will still be held accountable to the implied responsibilities they had to their own founding. Certainly as far as the League is concerned.

Consider that a woman has to remain in the home of an abusive husband while she goes through legal motions to divorce him. All the while having to endure continuing to sleep with him while his anger builds up to what he knows is inevitable divorce. The intimacy becomes more and more brutal. It becomes a weapon to be used against her. And the intimacy is his right. He has a right to what has now become a weapon to punish her. There's a gray area existing around the idea that a man can't be charged for raping his own wife. Unbelievable, but true.

Under these circumstances, do you believe it is prudent for a woman to make things worse on herself by sleeping around and throwing it in the face of this very abusive man? Do you think that it is prudent to poke the gorilla or prod the hornets nest on the way out the door? Every opportunity she gets?

cthia wrote:Some wives are guilty of making the same mistakes that Beowulf did. She proceeds to file for divorce on the grounds that it is her right. But her best friend warns her that it isn't about rights. "It is about what you know the kind of man you married expects out of you and what he will do when he finds out. He's gonna kill you!"
Joat42 wrote:You start with laying the blame on the victim and then you are more or less arguing that it's better to stay in an abusive relationship rather than take a chance and leave it. That's why I find your analogy poor and tasteless. You then go and post that you are proud of your analogy - bleah. :evil:


No Joat. I really place no blame at all, because it isn't about blame, or faults. It is about sensibilities and discretion and handling the situation properly, in consideration for your own safety. This charge is directed to those women who knowingly poke and prod the abusive firecracker. You do not sleep around in the face of your abusive husband. You do not date other men in the face of your abusive husband. You do not flaunt your new beau, or the gifts of which he has showered upon you, in front of your abusive husband. You shouldn't do these things even if he isn't abusive. And all before the divorce is final??? You might even want to consider NOT doing so even after the divorce is final. He's still a loaded weapon of mass destruction.

Beowulf did all of those things.

I simply said that karma is a MF!

Perhaps you don't understand karma.

Even in the face of all of this, nobody deserves what could happen. Neither did Beowulf. But an abusive, scorned spouse or person is hardly concerned with what you think you might deserve.

At one of these support groups one woman said. . .

"If you don't want to become a victim, at least act like it!"

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Re: BEOWULF - THE KARMA SUITSYA
Post by cthia   » Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:19 am

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Joat42 wrote:The Mandarins specifically know it's not treason since they invented that smokescreen. We have stupid people in the SL that swallowed the political shenanigans as truth but from the Mandarins viewpoint there is no treason.


This rope is hanging many people.

The Mandarins know it is legally not treason. They know that Beowulf has not legally transgressed against the law! But it doesn't have a damn thing to do with the transgressions Beowulf made against the implied and perceived relationship made between people!

"The law supports you, Beowulf. But you know what you did! And we're gonna get ya. Look out suckers, 'cause we're gonna get ya!"

Crimes of passion are not transgressions made against the law. Crimes of passion are transgressions made against people.

The law isn't the one stabbed 99 times long after the victim is dead!

What did my Driver's Ed. teacher say again? Play it again Sam. . .
It doesn't matter who's right or who's wrong. Dead right or dead wrong, you are still dead.

Drive for the other idiot on the highway too.


This also applies to the highway of life.

Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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Re: BEOWULF - THE KARMA SUITSYA
Post by tlb   » Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:49 am

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cthia wrote:What did my Driver's Ed. teacher say again?
It doesn't matter who's right or who's wrong. Dead right or dead wrong, you are still dead.

Drive for the other idiot on the highway too.


This also applies to the highway of life.

I understand that you are very happy with your terms and analogies, but one thing I do not understand is what you, as you alone, think that Beowulf should have done.

Could you please state, or restate, your ideas for the path best taken? Your prescription, suggestion, what have you in a clear, concise way that I can try to follow and perhaps understand. Inquiring minds want to know.
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Re: BEOWULF - THE KARMA SUITSYA
Post by Thunder Child Actual   » Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:38 pm

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I understand that you are very happy with your terms and analogies, but one thing I do not understand is what you, as you alone, think that Beowulf should have done.

Could you please state, or restate, your ideas for the path best taken? Your prescription, suggestion, what have you in a clear, concise way that I can try to follow and perhaps understand. Inquiring minds want to know.[/quote]
+1.

Especially since the two immediate mass deaths caused by Beowulf's "treason" were the result of actions by the MA. An organization that no one knew about until a few months ago in Universe.

The ships destryoed in A Rising Thunder would still have been alive if the MA had not bombed the Flag Bridge and caused all of the missiles to be fired.

The millions of Beowulf civilians that were killed died not as a direct result of SL actions but were killed by bombs placed by the MA.


Beowulf worked with the GA to offer the fleet in A Rising Thunder a chance to surrender without bloodshed. If not for MA actions that would have happened.

They kept Tsang from committing suicide by attacking a defended Wormhole. Should they have just let her fly her ships into that meat grinder?


They worked with the GA so that when the SL sent ships to attack Beowulf those ships failed in their mission. It was only the MA bombs that were set off using the SL attack as a cover that caused damage. So how does Beowulf's "treason" to the SL justify the MA killing millions of its civilians?
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Re: BEOWULF - THE KARMA SUITSYA
Post by quite possibly a cat   » Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:09 pm

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Thunder Child Actual wrote:
They kept Tsang from committing suicide by attacking a defended Wormhole. Should they have just let her fly her ships into that meat grinder?

Well, since they were planning an attack on a neutral star system they were clearly pirates. Sounds to me like Beowulf was protecting pirates! So yes, if they weren't going to apprehend the pirates themselves, I think letting Manticore do it would have been ideal.

Step two would have been apprehending themselves for supporting terrorism.
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Re: BEOWULF - THE KARMA SUITSYA
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:26 pm

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Your analogy reminds me of a certain Judge who shall not be named also known as "his nameless wife's cuckold." His wife used to be the US Attorney for a certain State who became famous for persecuting a ranching family to enable civil forfeiture of their property. This imbecile judge has such profound discernment that his wife was able to engage in a prolonged and spectacularly indiscrete extramarrital affair that he apparently remained oblivious too until she got herself arrested for stalking her boyfriend. (She must not have been that much fun in bed or her boyfriend wouldn't be complaining about it?) The judge probably believed her when she told him that the case of Syphilliys that pennicillin will not cure which is now rotting his brain is just a little something that he must have picked up from a toilet seat in the courthouse.

Since this judge lacks the testicular fortitude to divorce his phillandering wife, he abuses his authority as a Judge by abusing the citizens of this rural County. He recently gave a marijuana bootlegger a free pass for shooting at his landlord's children with a 12 gauge shotgun in retaliation for the landlord trying to evict him. The ruling appears to be motivated in part by the desire to enable his wife to ressurect her professional and political career by prosecuting the landlord for the tenant's illegal marijunna grow.

The citizens of this rural County are now suffering the consequences. The County is becoming a dumping ground for murdered mothers. The body of the most recent victim who had been beaten to death was discovered in a ditch barely half a mile away from a blueberry field where another murdered mother had been discovered not quite two years ago. Given the incidence of about 100 such murders per year nationally, this county with a population of only 100,000 should not be experiencing this. But why not? The judge is too busy demonstrating their anger at their cheating wife to give a shit.

Does this seem like a valid analogy for the SLN venting its anger with Manticore and Beawulf by committing violations of the Deneb accords and the Erandandi Edict against the innocent people of Hypatia?

Beawulf's mistake was not getting bigger gun and shooting her abusive husband in the back then in the head to make certain that he was dead.
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Re: BEOWULF - THE KARMA SUITSYA
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:33 pm

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Just send a courier through to warn the RMN that the pirates are coming.

quite possibly a cat wrote:
Thunder Child Actual wrote:
They kept Tsang from committing suicide by attacking a defended Wormhole. Should they have just let her fly her ships into that meat grinder?

Well, since they were planning an attack on a neutral star system they were clearly pirates. Sounds to me like Beowulf was protecting pirates! So yes, if they weren't going to apprehend the pirates themselves, I think letting Manticore do it would have been ideal.

Step two would have been apprehending themselves for supporting terrorism.
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Re: BEOWULF - THE KARMA SUITSYA
Post by cthia   » Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:42 am

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One particular matter came up already in this thread. I am really trying to see how the fact that instead of the jealous husband - the SLN - actually doing Beowulf harm, it turns out to be the MA using the vengeful patsies, as ultimately affecting the fact that it is all about Beowulf's karma coming home to roost.

I would never have guessed that anyone is as gullible as the League's citizens who are as indoctrinated as any old hog who's able to be force-fed slop and easily led to slaughter.

BUT! There sure as hell ain't no way that I will buy into the swampland that the SLN suddenly found their moral compass and becomes some paragon of unadulterated concern for Beowulf being held against their will with a Manticoran pulsar at their heads telling them to defect, as being the reason they are really in Beowulfan orbit during the referendum.

I'm not going to reinvent this wheel. Nothing has changed.

Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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Re: BEOWULF - THE KARMA SUITSYA
Post by cthia   » Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:10 am

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RE: Thunder Child Actual.

cthia wrote:One particular matter came up already in this thread. I am really trying to see how the fact that - instead of the jealous husband, the SLN, actually doing Beowulf harm - it turns out to be the MA using the vengeful patsies, as ultimately affecting the fact that it is all about Beowulf's karma coming home to roost.

I would never have guessed that anyone is as gullible as the League's citizens who are as indoctrinated as any old hog who's able to be force-fed slop and easily led to slaughter.

BUT! There sure as hell ain't no way that I will buy into the swampland that the SLN suddenly found their moral compass and becomes some paragon of unadulterated concern for Beowulf being held against their will with a Manticoran pulsar at their heads telling them to defect, as being the reason they are really in Beowulfan orbit during the referendum.

I'm not going to reinvent this wheel. Nothing has changed.


Why, that would be like totally blaming the MA for the reason Filareta took his fleet all the way to Manticore to be turned into orbital debris.

Edits: grammar police writing tickets.

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Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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Re: BEOWULF - THE KARMA SUITSYA
Post by ldwechsler   » Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:15 am

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cthia wrote:RE: Thunder Child Actual.

cthia wrote:One particular matter came up already in this thread. I am really trying to see how the fact that instead of the jealous husband - the SLN - actually doing Beowulf harm, it turns out to be the MA using the vengeful patsies, as ultimately affecting the fact that it is all about Beowulf's karma coming home to roost.

I would never have guessed that anyone is as gullible as the League's citizens who are as indoctrinated as any old hog who's able to be force-fed slop and easily led to slaughter.

BUT! There sure as hell ain't no way that I will buy into the swampland that the SLN suddenly found their moral compass and becomes some paragon of unadulterated concern for Beowulf being held against their will with a Manticoran pulsar at their heads telling them to defect, as being the reason they are really in Beowulfan orbit during the referendum.

I'm not going to reinvent this wheel. Nothing has changed.


Why, that would be like totally blaming the MA for the reason Filareta took his fleet all the way to Manticore to be turned into orbital debris.


When you control the information almost totally, there will always be people to believe.

Also, keep in mind that the League Assembly did NOT really answer to the people but to special interest groups.

The "people" tended to be those on Terra who could riot, etc.
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