BEOWULF - THE KARMA SUITSYA

cthia wrote:
Why didn't Manticore simply seize the DB? Preventing Tsang from ever getting the go ahead, also preventing the possibility of Beowulf pissing the SLN off with treason? IIRC, the RMN knew the purpose of the DB, they attended a rodeo or two in the past.

ART, Chapter 21 - page 267/268 HC-edition wrote:“Well, it just seems to me it would have been simpler all around to sit on them,” Captain Dombroski said. “I mean, they wouldn’t be going anywhere without our permission. We could’ve just kept them cooling their heels right here until it was all over one way or the other, without ever bringing the Beowulf end into it at all. Seems to me that keeping Beowulf up our sleeve as a holdout card in case we need to play it even worse later on might have a lot to recommend itself.”

“In some ways, I’m inclined to agree with you,” Grimm acknowledged. Given their positions and the role they had to play, she and Dombroski knew quite a lot about the thinking behind this part of the plan. And in Grimm’s opinion, the captain had a very valid point. But . . .

“It’d be a hard call for me, either way,” she said finally. “I’m sure it was for everyone else involved, too. In fact, even though no one’s told me this in so many words, I think it was ultimately the Beowulfers who made the decision, not anyone at our end. And I think the deciding factor was probably that they’re really and truly royally pissed off at this Mesan Alignment. There’s no way in this universe they’re going to sit on the sidelines when we go after them, and they’re about as disgusted as anyone could possibly get with the way Kolokoltsov and the Mandarins have botched the entire situation. For that matter, they’re disgusted as hell with all the rest of the League for letting itself get turned into such a bitched-up mess instead of a star nation in the first place. So this is their way of punctuating all the reasons they’re doing what they’re doing—jumping ship to sign up with us, I mean. And I think they want to draw Admiral Tsang in, get her to openly commit to her part of ‘Operation Raging Justice,’ so they’ll have that additional evidence of just how fast and loose with the League Constitution Kolokoltsov’s apparatchiks are really willing to play.”

cthia wrote:
Why didn't Manticore simply seize the DB? Preventing Tsang from ever getting the go ahead, also preventing the possibility of Beowulf pissing the SLN off with treason? IIRC, the RMN knew the purpose of the DB, they attended a rodeo or two in the past.

Eagleeye wrote:The decision was apparently made at Beowulf. There's textev to that effect ...

ART, Chapter 21 - page 267/268 HC-edition wrote:“Well, it just seems to me it would have been simpler all around to sit on them,” Captain Dombroski said. “I mean, they wouldn’t be going anywhere without our permission. We could’ve just kept them cooling their heels right here until it was all over one way or the other, without ever bringing the Beowulf end into it at all. Seems to me that keeping Beowulf up our sleeve as a holdout card in case we need to play it even worse later on might have a lot to recommend itself.”

“In some ways, I’m inclined to agree with you,” Grimm acknowledged. Given their positions and the role they had to play, she and Dombroski knew quite a lot about the thinking behind this part of the plan. And in Grimm’s opinion, the captain had a very valid point. But . . .

“It’d be a hard call for me, either way,” she said finally. “I’m sure it was for everyone else involved, too. In fact, even though no one’s told me this in so many words, I think it was ultimately the Beowulfers who made the decision, not anyone at our end. And I think the deciding factor was probably that they’re really and truly royally pissed off at this Mesan Alignment. There’s no way in this universe they’re going to sit on the sidelines when we go after them, and they’re about as disgusted as anyone could possibly get with the way Kolokoltsov and the Mandarins have botched the entire situation. For that matter, they’re disgusted as hell with all the rest of the League for letting itself get turned into such a bitched-up mess instead of a star nation in the first place. So this is their way of punctuating all the reasons they’re doing what they’re doing—jumping ship to sign up with us, I mean. And I think they want to draw Admiral Tsang in, get her to openly commit to her part of ‘Operation Raging Justice,’ so they’ll have that additional evidence of just how fast and loose with the League Constitution Kolokoltsov’s apparatchiks are really willing to play.”

(bold text by me)

pappilon wrote:

cthia wrote:Gorilla writing is all over the wall...

The votes are in! Beowulf is leaving its jealous boyfriend!

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"KAMISAMA KONG!"

Yeah and warning the new BF to stay the eff out of the screaming match that is sure to follow. "Whatever comes, if anything, don't worry. I can handle it."

Oh yeah, there is definitely a bun in the oven.

ldwechsler wrote:If it were only that simple. Seems like a case of really abusive spouse.

cthia wrote:
Why didn't Manticore simply seize the DB? Preventing Tsang from ever getting the go ahead, also preventing the possibility of Beowulf pissing the SLN off with treason? IIRC, the RMN knew the purpose of the DB, they attended a rodeo or two in the past.

Eagleeye wrote:The decision was apparently made at Beowulf. There's textev to that effect ...

ART, Chapter 21 - page 267/268 HC-edition wrote:“Well, it just seems to me it would have been simpler all around to sit on them,” Captain Dombroski said. “I mean, they wouldn’t be going anywhere without our permission. We could’ve just kept them cooling their heels right here until it was all over one way or the other, without ever bringing the Beowulf end into it at all. Seems to me that keeping Beowulf up our sleeve as a holdout card in case we need to play it even worse later on might have a lot to recommend itself.”

“In some ways, I’m inclined to agree with you,” Grimm acknowledged. Given their positions and the role they had to play, she and Dombroski knew quite a lot about the thinking behind this part of the plan. And in Grimm’s opinion, the captain had a very valid point. But . . .

“It’d be a hard call for me, either way,” she said finally. “I’m sure it was for everyone else involved, too. In fact, even though no one’s told me this in so many words, I think it was ultimately the Beowulfers who made the decision, not anyone at our end. And I think the deciding factor was probably that they’re really and truly royally pissed off at this Mesan Alignment. There’s no way in this universe they’re going to sit on the sidelines when we go after them, and they’re about as disgusted as anyone could possibly get with the way Kolokoltsov and the Mandarins have botched the entire situation. For that matter, they’re disgusted as hell with all the rest of the League for letting itself get turned into such a bitched-up mess instead of a star nation in the first place. So this is their way of punctuating all the reasons they’re doing what they’re doing—jumping ship to sign up with us, I mean. And I think they want to draw Admiral Tsang in, get her to openly commit to her part of ‘Operation Raging Justice,’ so they’ll have that additional evidence of just how fast and loose with the League Constitution Kolokoltsov’s apparatchiks are really willing to play.”

(bold text by me)

cthia wrote:Thanks Eagleeye. I was going to post that myself but you beat me to the punch. Same thing keeps happening to the Mandarins and its gorilla. They're being beaten to the punch. LOL

It's logical that Beowulf would want all of the evidence against the Mandarins as possible, making one last political statement on the way out. But it strengthens my resolve that Beowulf knew exactly what they were getting themselves in to.

In hindsight, it should be obvious to the SLN that the Manties were aware of the ulterior motives of the DB and allowed it to play its part in setting them up.

cthia wrote:As per the DB and the welcoming committee set up in Beowulfan space, it could be noted that Beowulf insisted on a more active role against the gorilla and decided to spite him in the eye. It is obvious Beowulf's decisions were done in spite. When you do things in spite, it might not always be right. If your safety is considered.

pappilon wrote:

cthia wrote:As per the DB and the welcoming committee set up in Beowulfan space, it could be noted that Beowulf insisted on a more active role against the gorilla and decided to spite him in the eye. It is obvious Beowulf's decisions were done in spite. When you do things in spite, it might not always be right. If your safety is considered.

No, I don't really think so.

"Yes, he's a 600# gorilla, but he's, was, my 600# gorilla. He's stupid to go after my bf (yeah the one I've had on the side for years). I tried to warn him off, really I did. And while I'm not in love with the gorilla any more, I still love him. I don't want to see him get hurt any more than he's gonna get through his own arrogant stupidity."

Yes of course the gorilla is going to take this as yet another slap in the face. I'd say its always the abused spouse that is misunderstood, but that's not the case, is it, like ever. The "misunderstanding" is always a mere pretext for the violent release of anger at the wrong but oh so available target.

The Mandarins can't get mad at Beowulf for tipping Manticore off over Filareta. They have no clue exactly how the info leaked. Heck we have no idea how Beowulf found out. Obviously the gorilla whispers sweet nothings into his pillow as he sleeps. Taking them out in the star chamber is mere diversionary tactic for the necessary vote on the Declaration of War, which, now that there is one on the table from the GA, is a moot point.

pappilon wrote:

cthia wrote:As per the DB and the welcoming committee set up in Beowulfan space, it could be noted that Beowulf insisted on a more active role against the gorilla and decided to spite him in the eye. It is obvious Beowulf's decisions were done in spite. When you do things in spite, it might not always be right. If your safety is considered.

No, I don't really think so.

"Yes, he's a 600# gorilla, but he's, was, my 600# gorilla. He's stupid to go after my bf (yeah the one I've had on the side for years). I tried to warn him off, really I did. And while I'm not in love with the gorilla any more, I still love him. I don't want to see him get hurt any more than he's gonna get through his own arrogant stupidity."

Yes of course the gorilla is going to take this as yet another slap in the face. I'd say its always the abused spouse that is misunderstood, but that's not the case, is it, like ever. The "misunderstanding" is always a mere pretext for the violent release of anger at the wrong but oh so available target.

The Mandarins can't get mad at Beowulf for tipping Manticore off over Filareta. They have no clue exactly how the info leaked. Heck we have no idea how Beowulf found out. Obviously the gorilla whispers sweet nothings into his pillow as he sleeps. Taking them out in the star chamber is mere diversionary tactic for the necessary vote on the Declaration of War, which, now that there is one on the table from the GA, is a moot point.

cthia wrote:Kudos.

It's good to see someone displaying that they understand human nature.


Of course, spouses who have to endure infidelity could see red from the revelation of embarrassment and having been made a fool of. As a result, they can go temporarily insane and snap, crackle and drop a few Kews. I would imagine that in such extreme cases the spouse who has been the recipient of infidelity might claim to be the one abused. Scorned by the scorned lover "syndrome."

Abusive husbands never see that they slowly drove the sweet spouse away over time, until their hive runs dry.

Your sentiment that Beowulf still loves the League is poignant. It is the Mandarins they abhor for abusing and neglecting her and the kids. It is why failing to also formally inform the SLN carrying the many innocent kids simply following orders aboard the oncoming juggernaut that the Manties have laid out a welcoming mat is questionable. IMO.

pappilon wrote:

cthia wrote:As per the DB and the welcoming committee set up in Beowulfan space, it could be noted that Beowulf insisted on a more active role against the gorilla and decided to spite him in the eye. It is obvious Beowulf's decisions were done in spite. When you do things in spite, it might not always be right. If your safety is considered.

No, I don't really think so.

"Yes, he's a 600# gorilla, but he's, was, my 600# gorilla. He's stupid to go after my bf (yeah the one I've had on the side for years). I tried to warn him off, really I did. And while I'm not in love with the gorilla any more, I still love him. I don't want to see him get hurt any more than he's gonna get through his own arrogant stupidity."

Yes of course the gorilla is going to take this as yet another slap in the face. I'd say its always the abused spouse that is misunderstood, but that's not the case, is it, like ever. The "misunderstanding" is always a mere pretext for the violent release of anger at the wrong but oh so available target.

The Mandarins can't get mad at Beowulf for tipping Manticore off over Filareta. They have no clue exactly how the info leaked. Heck we have no idea how Beowulf found out. Obviously the gorilla whispers sweet nothings into his pillow as he sleeps. Taking them out in the star chamber is mere diversionary tactic for the necessary vote on the Declaration of War, which, now that there is one on the table from the GA, is a moot point.

cthia wrote:Kudos.

It's good to see someone displaying that they understand human nature.


Of course, spouses who have to endure infidelity could see red from the revelation of embarrassment and having been made a fool of. As a result, they can go temporarily insane and snap, crackle and drop a few Kews. I would imagine that in such extreme cases the spouse who has been the recipient of infidelity might claim to be the one abused. Scorned by the scorned lover "syndrome."

Abusive husbands never see that they slowly drove the sweet spouse away over time, until their hive runs dry.

Your sentiment that Beowulf still loves the League is poignant. It is the Mandarins they abhor for abusing and neglecting her and the kids. It is why failing to also formally inform the SLN carrying the many innocent kids simply following orders aboard the oncoming juggernaut that the Manties have laid out a welcoming mat is questionable. IMO.

ldwechsler wrote:
The problem with assigning collective guilt is that the vast majority of the people now condemned had no idea what was happening and might well have disapproved.

Beowulf had often protested some of the actions of the League and got nowhere. However, it was the only game in town.

They left when the could, when there was a viable option. If you want a viable analogy, think of a person married to a brutal life-partner. If the victim has no skills and society provides no support, they are stuck.

But suddenly there is some support and they leave.

Let's be real here.