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Re: What is Earth's government
Post by Annachie   » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:43 am

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The desert I grew up in, less than 11.

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Re: What is Earth's government
Post by quite possibly a cat   » Fri Feb 02, 2018 7:43 am

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ldwechsler wrote:
We know so little about this that any discussion is a joke. Harvard Bogota might just be a branch or the real thing.

We know very little and we probably won't get to learn a lot more.
This is the truth!
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Re: What is Earth's government
Post by ldwechsler   » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:42 pm

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quite possibly a cat wrote:
ldwechsler wrote:
We know so little about this that any discussion is a joke. Harvard Bogota might just be a branch or the real thing.

We know very little and we probably won't get to learn a lot more.
This is the truth!



Of course, on the other hand, RFC might just have more than a chapter or two dealing with politics on Terra even if it focuses far more on the League.

At this point, I just want the eArc and snippets!!

And say, amen.
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Re: What is Earth's government
Post by Rincewind   » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:19 am

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Bluesqueak wrote:
quite possibly a cat wrote:I don't remember being told Chicago became Sol's or Earth's capital. Its the League's capital, but that doesn't mean its the capital of Sol or Earth. It could be the capital of Sol, the capital of Earth both, or neither. Its also possible that it's not even officially part of Sol's territory! Australia did this for their capital city, carving out an enclave for Canberra. Washington D.C. is a similar case.

Unless I missed something, which has been known to happen.


Not surprising you missed it - it's a very brief reference in From The Highlands.

Her apartment was located near the very top of one of the Solarian capital's most expensive apartment complexes.
Cathy was looking down on the city from well over a mile above street level. Insofar as the term 'street level' could be applied to Chicago that is.


Emphasis mine. Within the series, Chicago's main importance is as the capital of the League - so it's usually referred to as the League capital. But that quote shows that it's also the capital of the Sol system.


Not necessarily. You could read that last quote as referring to the Solarian League's capital only & not Earth's capital as well. It could be argued either way.

Probably the only way we could find out which interpretation is correct is to ask Eric Flint. Anybody know how to contact him?
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Re: What is Earth's government
Post by pappilon   » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:35 am

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Rincewind wrote: (snip)
... You could read that last quote as referring to the Solarian League's capital only & not Earth's capital as well. It could be argued either way.

Probably the only way we could find out which interpretation is correct is to ask Eric Flint. Anybody know how to contact him?


Isn't the Solarain League rather like the United Federation of Planets? EVERY system is independent, even Earth. The headquarters of the United Nations is in New York City, yet it has no bearing on the city government nor New York State government.

Why would locating the SL administrative center in Chicago (or Boise or Oskosh or Sheboygan) have any effect on Earth.gov?
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Re: What is Earth's government
Post by ldwechsler   » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:22 pm

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pappilon wrote:
Rincewind wrote: (snip)
... You could read that last quote as referring to the Solarian League's capital only & not Earth's capital as well. It could be argued either way.

Probably the only way we could find out which interpretation is correct is to ask Eric Flint. Anybody know how to contact him?


Isn't the Solarain League rather like the United Federation of Planets? EVERY system is independent, even Earth. The headquarters of the United Nations is in New York City, yet it has no bearing on the city government nor New York State government.

Why would locating the SL administrative center in Chicago (or Boise or Oskosh or Sheboygan) have any effect on Earth.gov?


The United Nations is located in New York...with some parts in Geneva. But NY is not the capitol of the US. As I've written before, there's a real lot we don't know.

Are these separate countries on Earth any more. The EU government is gradually attempting a takeover of most of the national governments and some of the nations are rebellion...as in Brexit (not to mention a growing Irexit, a possible Frexit, a major Italian party pushing for an Itexit and the Greeks always on the edge of a Grexit).

So there could be different countries on Terra, perhaps with a UN government or there could be a national government that runs some or part of the world. Or it actually could be run by the Solarian League as Washington, DC is overmanaged by the US government.

There is just so much we don't know.
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Re: What is Earth's government
Post by pappilon   » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:16 pm

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ldwechsler wrote:
The United Nations is located in New York...with some parts in Geneva. But NY is not the capitol of the US. As I've written before, there's a real lot we don't know.

Are these separate countries on Earth any more. The EU government is gradually attempting a takeover of most of the national governments and some of the nations are rebellion...as in Brexit (not to mention a growing Irexit, a possible Frexit, a major Italian party pushing for an Itexit and the Greeks always on the edge of a Grexit).

So there could be different countries on Terra, perhaps with a UN government or there could be a national government that runs some or part of the world. Or it actually could be run by the Solarian League as Washington, DC is overmanaged by the US government.

There is just so much we don't know.


And not knowing, all is mere idle speculation. We will probably never know, unless it comes out as a short story somewhere.

Kind of hard administering an entire planet + colonies on the moon and Mars as a federal enclave. The war's been over for a thousand years. :roll:

Something resembling a planetary government was possibly forced upon the warring factions, which probably did nothing to settle the disputes, real and imagined; but the near loss of the entire planet may have had a sobering effect on the survivors.
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Re: What is Earth's government
Post by ldwechsler   » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:47 pm

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pappilon wrote:
ldwechsler wrote:
The United Nations is located in New York...with some parts in Geneva. But NY is not the capitol of the US. As I've written before, there's a real lot we don't know.

Are these separate countries on Earth any more. The EU government is gradually attempting a takeover of most of the national governments and some of the nations are rebellion...as in Brexit (not to mention a growing Irexit, a possible Frexit, a major Italian party pushing for an Itexit and the Greeks always on the edge of a Grexit).

So there could be different countries on Terra, perhaps with a UN government or there could be a national government that runs some or part of the world. Or it actually could be run by the Solarian League as Washington, DC is overmanaged by the US government.

There is just so much we don't know.


And not knowing, all is mere idle speculation. We will probably never know, unless it comes out as a short story somewhere.

Kind of hard administering an entire planet + colonies on the moon and Mars as a federal enclave. The war's been over for a thousand years. :roll:

Something resembling a planetary government was possibly forced upon the warring factions, which probably did nothing to settle the disputes, real and imagined; but the near loss of the entire planet may have had a sobering effect on the survivors.


Keep in mind that the EU is now signing off on just about all laws by all members. And the EU is not elected. And it is hard to get rid of them...check Brexit. And quite a few other countries might leave if they were allowed to vote on it.
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Re: What is Earth's government
Post by pappilon   » Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:54 am

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ldwechsler wrote: The United Nations is located in New York...with some parts in Geneva. But NY is not the capotal of the US. As I've written before, there's a real lot we don't know.

Are these separate countries on Earth any more. The EU government is gradually attempting a takeover of most of the national governments and some of the nations are rebellion...as in Brexit (not to mention a growing Irexit, a possible Frexit, a major Italian party pushing for an Itexit and the Greeks always on the edge of a Grexit).

So there could be different countries on Terra, perhaps with a UN government or there could be a national government that runs some or part of the world. Or it actually could be run by the Solarian League as Washington, DC is overmanaged by the US government.

There is just so much we don't know.


pappilon wrote:And not knowing, all is mere idle speculation. We will probably never know, unless it comes out as a short story somewhere.

Kind of hard administering an entire planet + colonies on the moon and Mars as a federal enclave. The war's been over for a thousand years. :roll:

Something resembling a planetary government was possibly forced upon the warring factions, which probably did nothing to settle the disputes, real and imagined; but the near loss of the entire planet may have had a sobering effect on the survivors.


ldwechsler wrote:Keep in mind that the EU is now signing off on just about all laws by all members. And the EU is not elected. And it is hard to get rid of them...check Brexit. And quite a few other countries might leave if they were allowed to vote on it.


Every other planet in the Honorverse seems to have a unified planetary or system government. Textev Mike Henke talking with the former king of Meyers and asking him if he can actually form a government with the other colonies in the system.

Mere KISS within the fictitious universe would beg that Earth have a government like all the others. Its one of the basic laws of writing and creating worlds of magic whether sci-fi or fantasy. your world must be consistent or have good explanations for the difference. RFC has spent a chapter or two justifying the magic drive the MAlign has. No mention of a different gov for Earth and why, so no reason to assume it is radically diffrent. Its just an internal consistency thing. And granted it is harder to maintain with different authors in the mix.
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Re: What is Earth's government
Post by Bluesqueak   » Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:04 am

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pappilon wrote:
Every other planet in the Honorverse seems to have a unified planetary or system government. Textev Mike Henke talking with the former king of Meyers and asking him if he can actually form a government with the other colonies in the system.

Mere KISS within the fictitious universe would beg that Earth have a government like all the others. Its one of the basic laws of writing and creating worlds of magic whether sci-fi or fantasy. your world must be consistent or have good explanations for the difference. RFC has spent a chapter or two justifying the magic drive the MAlign has. No mention of a different gov for Earth and why, so no reason to assume it is radically diffrent. Its just an internal consistency thing. And granted it is harder to maintain with different authors in the mix.


No, most planets in the Honorverse have a unified planetary government - a couple are mentioned as not. One of the short stories hints why that is - the two rival countries represent two colonising expeditions. There's also the station that Abigail has to get hostages off (can't remember its name)? The commanding officer remembers that the reason his grandad called OFS in was that even OFS seemed better than the potentially nuclear war that was then going on.

So most planets probably have a unified planetary government because they started out with one colonising expedition, one colonising ideology, and later on, a tradition of one planetary government.

Brexit is in fact an example of how difficult it is to create a new nation from already pre-existing old nations ;) Myself, I'd say the reason the UK was the first to go was because the legal and political differences from the EU were quite large - much larger than for most of the Continental European nations. Add that to the EU trying to unify too fast, and the population who had the most changes to make became the most pissed off.

Add to this a lack of compromise from the EU, who think that the evident problems can be solved by faster, not slower unification. Then have a vote. :lol:

But most colonies wouldn't have those problems; they're starting from a common tradition, not trying to create one.
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