Remaining holes in SLN intel

Theemile wrote:

kzt wrote:Everyone will have them then. It's mostly just engineering as people know it can be done and there are huge incentives to do it. In 5 years everyone will have effective MDM's, bucklers and stealthy LACs. In 10 years at least voice grade FTL. 20 years everyone has Apollo, dense fusion reactors, streak drive etc.

New stuff will certainly exist, but it won't be nearly as one sided. Manticore has destroyed a golden age of peace and there will be lots of military R&D everywhere.

Spider and the stealth system maybe not be out, it's very unclear exactly how much is really known. And the MA won't be standing still either.

MANTICORE ruining a golden age? The so-called golden age has led to stagnation, open imperialism, the deaths and misery of billions, all for the massive enrichment of a relatively few.

Yes, perhaps Manticore should have simply caved and become the next slaves.

NEVER!

Since bucklers are a new construction item, I'd move it to 10 years, otherwise... yeah..

Dauntless wrote:destroyed is too strong as the "golden age" pretty much died with the invention of the laser head, hence why the SLN reserve is so much junk as most of it was designed for the age of contact nukes. laser heads were first deployed by the Andies after the sollies abandoned the early efforts as useless.

Jonathan_S wrote:FYI IFF's armor essay says the Solarian Firm Astral finally "produced the first complete laser-head-armed impeller-drive anti-ship missile system in 1866" (thirty years after the first disastrous trials) and the "The Imperial Andermani Navy was their first official buyer in early 1872".

But Manticore had been independently working on it since the idea became public in the '30s (around the time of those failed trials) and "Manticoran work paid off in 1870 with the introduction of their first laser head capable missile—the Mark-19 capital ship missile."

So laser-heads are Manticore's fault They put them into service first

kzt wrote:Well who are the core worlds going to blame? Who is the next generation going to be taught was responsible in 1500 core worlds? Some mystical secret organization that Manticore blames for forcing them to set the world on fire or Manticore who actually did set the world on fire?

Dauntless wrote:

kzt wrote:Well who are the core worlds going to blame? Who is the next generation going to be taught was responsible in 1500 core worlds? Some mystical secret organization that Manticore blames for forcing them to set the world on fire or Manticore who actually did set the world on fire?

depends upon who writes the books they use and how deep they look.

you may be right that they blame manticore like the goths are blamed for rome but that answer is only accepted by casual students. which i'll grant will probably . be 98% of those who learn about it.

Beowulf may be leading the charge to leave but it has been said times without count that only the power of "invincible" SLN stopped many shell and even some core worlds from deciding they would rather go it alone.

Dauntless wrote:

Jonathan_S wrote:FYI IFF's armor essay says the Solarian Firm Astral finally "produced the first complete laser-head-armed impeller-drive anti-ship missile system in 1866" (thirty years after the first disastrous trials) and the "The Imperial Andermani Navy was their first official buyer in early 1872".

But Manticore had been independently working on it since the idea became public in the '30s (around the time of those failed trials) and "Manticoran work paid off in 1870 with the introduction of their first laser head capable missile—the Mark-19 capital ship missile."

So laser-heads are Manticore's fault They put them into service first

what is two years between allies

thanks for the correction. looks like i need to go back to the anthologies and reread.

kzt wrote:Manticore has destroyed a golden age of peace and there will be lots of military R&D everywhere.