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cthia wrote:There are a few interesting things about that passage.

1. Detweiler is considering crossing his and Bardasano's line.
Why not? They are both psychopathic.

2. Bardasano has a bit of sexual deviance. I don't want to guess what that entails, but it conjures up images of Klingon love in my head.

3. Her insouciance towards him? Don't fall asleep Detty.

cthia wrote:There are a few interesting things about that passage.

1. Detweiler is considering crossing his and Bardasano's line.
Why not? They are both psychopathic.

2. Bardasano has a bit of sexual deviance. I don't want to guess what that entails, but it conjures up images of Klingon love in my head.

3. Her insouciance towards him? Don't fall asleep Detty.

tlb wrote:

cthia wrote:There are a few interesting things about that passage.

1. Detweiler is considering crossing his and Bardasano's line.
Why not? They are both psychopathic.

2. Bardasano has a bit of sexual deviance. I don't want to guess what that entails, but it conjures up images of Klingon love in my head.

3. Her insouciance towards him? Don't fall asleep Detty.

I agree with the previous poster that they are NOT psychopaths; you are putting that on them because of the odious goals they are pursuing.

In saying that Bardasano has sexual deviance, you are making the error that your niece warned against: we do NOT know about her behavior, only the tendencies of her genome.

Note that Detty finds her insouciance charming, because it manifests itself in her stating reasons for any disagreement; instead of being a yes woman. Her intelligence and fearlessness are the reasons that the genome was only fixed, instead of being cut back.

ma·lign
[məˈlīn]

ADJECTIVE
evil in nature or effect; malevolent:
"she had a strong and malign influence"
synonyms: harmful · evil · bad · baleful · hostile · inimical ·


VERB
speak about (someone) in a spitefully critical manner:
"don't you dare malign her in my presence"
synonyms: defame · slander · libel

ldwechsler wrote:

cthia wrote:There are a few interesting things about that passage.

1. Detweiler is considering crossing his and Bardasano's line.
Why not? They are both psychopathic.

2. Bardasano has a bit of sexual deviance. I don't want to guess what that entails, but it conjures up images of Klingon love in my head.

3. Her insouciance towards him? Don't fall asleep Detty.

I don't think Detweiler and clones are truly psychopaths. They actually believe what they are doing is right. And they function very well.

I doubt he has to worry about Bardasano. She is dead.

Having clones means that even after death you have influence.

The real problem is that many fanatics really believe that what they want is good. The Dets are certain that their way will improve things.

cthia wrote:It is the very methods of their madness that most highlights the sadness of their psychopathy.

Scott A. Bonn Ph.D. wrote:"How to tell a Sociopath from Psychopath" found in Psychology Today website.

Understanding important distinctions between criminal sociopaths and psychopaths.

Key traits that sociopaths and psychopaths have in common, include:
•A disregard for laws and social mores
•A disregard for the rights of others
•A failure to feel remorse or guilt
•A tendency to display violent behavior

In addition to their commonalities, sociopaths and psychopaths also have their own unique behavioral characteristics, as well.

Sociopaths tend to be nervous and easily agitated. They are volatile and prone to emotional outbursts, including fits of rage. They are likely to be uneducated and live on the fringes of society, unable to hold down a steady job or stay in one place for very long. It is difficult but not impossible for sociopaths to form attachments with others. Many sociopaths are able to form an attachment to a particular individual or group, although they have no regard for society in general or its rules. In the eyes of others, sociopaths will appear to be very disturbed. Any crimes committed by a sociopath, including murder, will tend to be haphazard, disorganized and spontaneous rather than planned.

Psychopaths, on the other hand, are unable to form emotional attachments or feel real empathy with others, although they often have disarming or even charming personalities. Psychopaths are very manipulative and can easily gain people’s trust. They learn to mimic emotions, despite their inability to actually feel them, and will appear normal to unsuspecting people. Psychopaths are often well educated and hold steady jobs. Some are so good at manipulation and mimicry that they have families and other long-term relationships without those around them ever suspecting their true nature.

When committing crimes, psychopaths carefully plan out every detail in advance and often have contingency plans in place. Unlike their sociopathic counterparts, psychopathic criminals are cool, calm, and meticulous. Their crimes, whether violent or non-violent, will be highly organized and generally offer few clues for authorities to pursue. Intelligent psychopaths make excellent white-collar criminals and "con artists" due to their calm and charismatic natures.

The cause of psychopathy is different than the cause of sociopathy (1). It is believed that psychopathy is the largely the result of “nature” (genetics) while sociopathy is more likely the result of “nurture” (environment). Psychopathy is related to a physiological defect that results in the underdevelopment of the part of the brain responsible for impulse control and emotions. Sociopathy, on the other hand, is more likely the product of childhood trauma and physical/emotional abuse. Because sociopathy appears to be learned rather than innate, sociopaths are capable of empathy in certain limited circumstances but not in others, and with a few individuals but not others.

Psychopathy is the most dangerous of all antisocial personality disorders because of the way psychopaths dissociate emotionally from their actions, regardless of how terrible those actions may be. Many prolific and notorious serial killers, including the late Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy, and the incarcerated Dennis Rader ("Bind, Torture, Kill" or BTK) are unremorseful psychopaths. Psychopathic killers view their innocent victims as inhuman objects to be tormented and exterminated for their own amusement or even sexual gratification.

tlb wrote:

cthia wrote:It is the very methods of their madness that most highlights the sadness of their psychopathy.

Perhaps I did read your niece's note incorrectly; whether she is correct depends on how the author is using "genome". I understand it to mean the genetic history of an individual, whereas she is at one point using it to mean the individual. Unlike your niece, I read Chernyshev thinking that Marinescu's genome had shown no evidence of instability as saying basically it was not found in her ancestors. Whether it can mean personal genome is something we will need the author to explain.

Nevertheless we do NOT know that Isabel is sexually deviant.

As to the point of whether Malign is psychopathic and so any individual working toward its goals are automatically psychopathic; I am not sure how to proceed, so I looked to see what I could find in the internet.

Scott A. Bonn Ph.D. wrote:"How to tell a Sociopath from Psychopath" found in Psychology Today website.

Understanding important distinctions between criminal sociopaths and psychopaths.

Key traits that sociopaths and psychopaths have in common, include:
•A disregard for laws and social mores
•A disregard for the rights of others
•A failure to feel remorse or guilt
•A tendency to display violent behavior

In addition to their commonalities, sociopaths and psychopaths also have their own unique behavioral characteristics, as well.

Sociopaths tend to be nervous and easily agitated. They are volatile and prone to emotional outbursts, including fits of rage. They are likely to be uneducated and live on the fringes of society, unable to hold down a steady job or stay in one place for very long. It is difficult but not impossible for sociopaths to form attachments with others. Many sociopaths are able to form an attachment to a particular individual or group, although they have no regard for society in general or its rules. In the eyes of others, sociopaths will appear to be very disturbed. Any crimes committed by a sociopath, including murder, will tend to be haphazard, disorganized and spontaneous rather than planned.

Psychopaths, on the other hand, are unable to form emotional attachments or feel real empathy with others, although they often have disarming or even charming personalities. Psychopaths are very manipulative and can easily gain people’s trust. They learn to mimic emotions, despite their inability to actually feel them, and will appear normal to unsuspecting people. Psychopaths are often well educated and hold steady jobs. Some are so good at manipulation and mimicry that they have families and other long-term relationships without those around them ever suspecting their true nature.

When committing crimes, psychopaths carefully plan out every detail in advance and often have contingency plans in place. Unlike their sociopathic counterparts, psychopathic criminals are cool, calm, and meticulous. Their crimes, whether violent or non-violent, will be highly organized and generally offer few clues for authorities to pursue. Intelligent psychopaths make excellent white-collar criminals and "con artists" due to their calm and charismatic natures.

The cause of psychopathy is different than the cause of sociopathy (1). It is believed that psychopathy is the largely the result of “nature” (genetics) while sociopathy is more likely the result of “nurture” (environment). Psychopathy is related to a physiological defect that results in the underdevelopment of the part of the brain responsible for impulse control and emotions. Sociopathy, on the other hand, is more likely the product of childhood trauma and physical/emotional abuse. Because sociopathy appears to be learned rather than innate, sociopaths are capable of empathy in certain limited circumstances but not in others, and with a few individuals but not others.

Psychopathy is the most dangerous of all antisocial personality disorders because of the way psychopaths dissociate emotionally from their actions, regardless of how terrible those actions may be. Many prolific and notorious serial killers, including the late Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy, and the incarcerated Dennis Rader ("Bind, Torture, Kill" or BTK) are unremorseful psychopaths. Psychopathic killers view their innocent victims as inhuman objects to be tormented and exterminated for their own amusement or even sexual gratification.

On this basis Malign is psychopathic; but individuals such as the Dettweilers are not, because they do have emotional attachments to others within their circle. It is only outside their circle (those that are not Alpha, Beta nor Gamma), that they do not empathize nor recognize shared humanity.

One way of looking at it is that those within the circle believe themselves to be a separate species.