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Re: [Spoiler - UH] utube snippet
Post by cthia   » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:31 pm

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cthia wrote:Marinescu also has the same gene. I didn't quill that either! RFC did. It was Marinescu who I called a bloodthirsty psychopathic bitch, as alluded to by Cherneyshev, which came from higher up -- RFC.


Actually, no she doesn't(didn't):

SoV Ch. 50 wrote:The Bardasano genome carried some unfortunate instabilities, .... So far as Chernyshev was aware, on the other hand, there was no known history of instability in Marinescu’s genome…which hadn't prevented Janice from being—in his considered opinion—a stone-cold psychopath.
Randomiser wrote:This seems to be the heart of the misunderstanding between Cthia and JohnRoth. Both agree that Martinescu is a psychopath, which is amply demonstrated by textev. The argument is about Bardisano. Cthia seems to be assuming that the Chernyshev quote means that Marinescu shares the Bardasano heritage (the comments on Bardisano are about her genome, ie the genetic traits which identify her particular breed line, NOT about some single gene). However,the textev implies Chernyshev is contrasting Bardasano and Martinescu, along the lines of "Bardasano's line may have been so dodgy it came near to being terminated sometimes, BUT Marinescu is a genuine psychopath". The line Weird Harold highlights makes it impossible to argue that Marinescu shares the somewhat unstable Bardisano genome.

If Cthia wants to continue to argue that Bardasano is a psychpath we have to see actual textev about her behaviour which specifies that.

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Again! Not once do I ever specifically assert that Bardasano is a psychopath. I keep pointing that out, but to no avail. Stop putting words in my mouth or point out where I did.

However, there is such a thing called inference and the transitive property of equality. If A = B and B = C then A = C.

The instability (which has now been labeled courtesy of RFC) has obviously manifested itself before. Obviously. The instability is well known. There had to be a "patient zero" who was responsible for bringing the errant gene into light. It must be Bardasano, because the genome is named after her. If she isn't patient zero, then the instability would have been named "Maria" if Maria was the first to exhibit the trait. Unless Bardasano was the first off the assembly line in her line. Unlikely!

It is sligtly alluded to again in passing, paraphrasing "Bardasano is a good example of the good traits outweighing the bad."

Everyone agrees that Marinescu is a psychopath -- a stone-cold psychopath.

We agree that she shares the Bardasano genome. Not a particular gene, but the genome itself. Moving along.

The Bardasano genome has instabilities. Though we never knew what those instabilities were, like JohnRoth humorously pointed out. And I agree, it could have been something as benign as eating chicken with a fork. Which is actually illegal in one place on Earth. We didn't know what that instability was. Until now, that is. RFC fleshes it out for his readers, with Cherneyshev's musings. Cherneyshev -- who himself is certainly privy to the whispers and accusations and facts of what those instabilities are!

THEN, Marinescu confirms that she does indeed suffer from the psychopathic heritage obtained from => the Bardasano genome.

BUT! That isn't to say that Bardasano suffers from the same psychopathic instability. Agreed! BUT! WHY IS THE GENOME NAMED AFTER HER??? And why would it have come so close to being culled, IF the psychopathic label, that RFC has just now fleshed out, hadn't manifested itself QUITE A BIT and IN A VERY BIG WAY!


Which, btw, is realistic. Man is not GOD, and any attempt to create perfection is going to result in some unwanted side effects. It wouldn't be literary art if RFC would fail to capitalize on one of the more profound failings, whereas in this case is psychopathy. Which isn't lost on me.

It may be that Bardasano has never manifested any psychopathic tendencies. But textev supplies overwhelming evidence to the contrary. The least of which IS NOT the fact that the instability => is named after her.

I'm sorry, but this statement is so funny I'm going to split my side. Your logic is more twisted than Atlanta's Spaghetti Junction

The line Weird Harold highlights makes it impossible to argue that Marinescu shares the somewhat unstable Bardisano genome.


THAT WAS THE PAST! PRE-HOUDINI!

Yet her psychopathy, as a result of Houdini, is confirmed in a big, huge, stone-cold psychopathic way that we have all agreed on.

If you missed the obvious, that quote -- as far as any documented evidence -- became INVALID as soon as her psychopathy, IN THE FIELD, was indeed confirmed!


Again, Bardasano may not be unstable. Yet her line is a risk. It should be considered a severe risk for the MAlign who can't afford to have people in field positions that may go ballistic and start eating people. That is why most militaries perform psyche evaluations as a matter of principle. It is why I said that I can't believe that her line wasn't culled, despite the utility of some of its brilliant people.

Would you marry a line that has a history of instability that has been identified as psychopathy?

Would you trust her with your kids?

Would you trust your super secret, centuries old regime to someone of the line?

Can you accept sleeping with one eye open?

The logic used in the quote of the quote that Harold quoted is insane. But since we're discussing psychopathy, I suppose it fits right in. LOL

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Re: [Spoiler - UH] utube snippet
Post by Weird Harold   » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:42 pm

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cthia wrote:We agree that she shares the Bardasano genome. Not a particular gene, but the genome itself. Moving along.

The Bardasano genome has instabilities.


No we do NOT agree that she shares the genome; that is never asserted in textev, and it is explicitly stated that Marinescu
had no known instabilities in her genome. That eliminates the Bardasano Genome which does have known instabilities.
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Re: [Spoiler - UH] utube snippet
Post by cthia   » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:17 pm

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Weird Harold wrote:
cthia wrote:We agree that she shares the Bardasano genome. Not a particular gene, but the genome itself. Moving along.

The Bardasano genome has instabilities.


No we do NOT agree that she shares the genome; that is never asserted in textev, and it is explicitly stated that Marinescu
had no known instabilities in her genome. That eliminates the Bardasano Genome which does have known instabilities.


Then your reading comprehension is misaligned. Someone got to you didn't they? That phucking malignant bitch! LOL

Marinescu's genome had no known instabilities, Harold, YET! As in, there was no known documented history, YET! She hadn't flown the coop, yet. Her clockwork orange hadn't shown its true colors, yet. Her cuckoo hadn't struck midnight, yet! Her bird hadn't left the cage, yet. Her coding hadn't flipped the script, yet! Then it was all confirmed. She suffered from the same, Bardasano genome, curse.

Seriously, read the passage again...
“And to Mesan public opinion, for that matter.” Chernyshev kept his voice level despite how little he liked the entire idea. Marinescu, on the other hand, actually smiled in approval…which illustrated the main reason he despised her so. Of course, it was also the main reason she’d been appointed to her current position five T-years ago.


STOP


Cherneyshev is musing about Marinescu. The object of his spiteful affection sitting right in front of him. Then, he references Bardasano which would be a complete and utter non sequitur if it didn't have merit as a point of contention that he is trying to make. It would totally NOT belong. You simply cannot chew on that delicious, juicy morsel out of context.

RESUME

The Bardasano genome carried some unfortunate instabilities, and Chernyshev knew there’d been serious consideration of simply culling it. The proposal had been rejected because it also produced so many highly capable, downright brilliant individuals. Isabel Bardasano had been an outstanding case of the genome’s good points out weighing its bad, in point of fact. So far as Chernyshev was aware, on the other hand, there was no known history of instability in Marinescu’s genome…which hadn't prevented Janice from being—in his considered opinion—a stone-cold psychopath.


Why compare the two if they are not comparable? That statement and paragraph would become an orphaned, meaningless, non sequiturous rumble of mumbo jumbo.

Cherneyshev is inside the Onion and he knows that Marinescu and Bardasano came off of the same assembly line. Which makes sense. There is an assembly line making agents. And they are brilliant -- except for the instability. It is difficult to genengineer people, parking their genome close enough to the curb that says "Easily kill on command w/o emotion" but not actually touching the curb.

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Re: [Spoiler - UH] utube snippet
Post by Weird Harold   » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:37 pm

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cthia wrote:
Weird Harold wrote:No we do NOT agree that she shares the genome; that is never asserted in textev, and it is explicitly stated that Marinescu had no known instabilities in her genome. That eliminates the Bardasano Genome which does have known instabilities.


Then your reading comprehension is misaligned. Someone got to you didn't they? That phucking malignant bitch! LOL


What part of the "Exclusive OR" in "Bardasano Genome has known instabilities" vs "Marinescu's genome had no known instabilities" are you having trouble with? It shouldn't take a great deal of reading comprehension to see the contrast being drawn there.
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Re: [Spoiler - UH] utube snippet
Post by cthia   » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:43 pm

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cthia wrote:
Weird Harold wrote:No we do NOT agree that she shares the genome; that is never asserted in textev, and it is explicitly stated that Marinescu had no known instabilities in her genome. That eliminates the Bardasano Genome which does have known instabilities.


Then your reading comprehension is misaligned. Someone got to you didn't they? That phucking malignant bitch! LOL
Weird Harold wrote:What part of the "Exclusive OR" in "Bardasano Genome has known instabilities" vs "Marinescu's genome had no known instabilities" are you having trouble with? It shouldn't take a great deal of reading comprehension to see the contrast being drawn there.


What part of had are you having problems with!


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Re: [Spoiler - UH] utube snippet
Post by ldwechsler   » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:13 am

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cthia wrote:
cthia wrote: No we do NOT agree that she shares the genome; that is never asserted in textev, and it is explicitly stated that Marinescu had no known instabilities in her genome. That eliminates the Bardasano Genome which does have known instabilities.


Then your reading comprehension is misaligned. Someone got to you didn't they? That phucking malignant bitch! LOL
Weird Harold wrote:What part of the "Exclusive OR" in "Bardasano Genome has known instabilities" vs "Marinescu's genome had no known instabilities" are you having trouble with? It shouldn't take a great deal of reading comprehension to see the contrast being drawn there.



Look, we agree that Marinescu is a stone psycho. She could work in a very limited fashion but within very strict boundaries she could function. Usually as a killer.

Bardasano was probably not. She had issues but could and did function well handling a lot of things.

Maybe is was a non sequitur to think of her and maybe not.

Unless RFC wants to comment, we will not know. And intelligent minds and disagree.

Why not compromise and get together on a campaign for more snippets?
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Re: [Spoiler - UH] utube snippet
Post by tlb   » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:45 pm

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Storm from the Shadows, Chapter 20 wrote:
But some of those "hedonistic sybarites" were anything but useless drones, and Bardasano was a prime example. In fact, she was the prime example. The Bardasano genotype had been notable for at least half a dozen generations for its intelligence and ruthless determination. There'd been a few unfortunate and unintended traits, as well, unhappily, and at one point there'd been serious consideration of simply culling the line's last several iterations and starting over again from a significantly earlier point. The positive traits had been so strong, however, that a remedial program had been instituted, instead, and Isabel was the current example of how successful it had been. It had been necessary to eliminate two of her immediate predecessors when their inherent ruthlessness had made them just a bit too ambitious for anyone else's good, but intelligent ambition, properly tempered, was always a useful thing, as Bardasano herself demonstrated. And if there was still a slight tendency towards sexual disorders and mildly sociopathic behaviors, neither of those posed any serious handicap, especially for someone whose area of expertise was covert operations. Of course, they'd have to be dealt with in the next generation or two if the Bardasano line was going to earn back permanent alpha status within the Alignment, which Isabel understood.

In the meantime, however, she was quite possibly the best covert ops specialist the Alignment had produced in at least the last T-century. It amused Detweiler that those outside the Alignment's innermost circle often cherished doubts about Bardasano's sanity, particularly when it came to her attitude towards him. The fact that it was well known within Mesa's star lines that the Bardasanos had almost been culled meant that her apparent insouciance with him only added to her reputation for . . . oddness, and provided a valuable extra level of protection when he or one of his sons called upon her services. As he gazed at her across the desk, he toyed once more with the notion of telling her that a cross between the Bardasano and Detweiler genotypes was even then being evaluated, but decided against it. For now, at least.


It helps when the original text is included in a discussion. The main problems the Planning Board had with the Bardasona genome have already been dealt with; all that remains are the possibilities of mild sociopathy and sexual deviance.
The problem with Marinescu is that she enjoys the killing. Isabel is fearless and remorseless, but looks on killing as just business, nothing personal.
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Re: [Spoiler - UH] utube snippet
Post by JohnRoth   » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:28 pm

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tlb wrote:
Storm from the Shadows, Chapter 20 wrote:
But some of those "hedonistic sybarites" were anything but useless drones, and Bardasano was a prime example. In fact, she was the prime example. The Bardasano genotype had been notable for at least half a dozen generations for its intelligence and ruthless determination. There'd been a few unfortunate and unintended traits, as well, unhappily, and at one point there'd been serious consideration of simply culling the line's last several iterations and starting over again from a significantly earlier point. The positive traits had been so strong, however, that a remedial program had been instituted, instead, and Isabel was the current example of how successful it had been. It had been necessary to eliminate two of her immediate predecessors when their inherent ruthlessness had made them just a bit too ambitious for anyone else's good, but intelligent ambition, properly tempered, was always a useful thing, as Bardasano herself demonstrated. And if there was still a slight tendency towards sexual disorders and mildly sociopathic behaviors, neither of those posed any serious handicap, especially for someone whose area of expertise was covert operations. Of course, they'd have to be dealt with in the next generation or two if the Bardasano line was going to earn back permanent alpha status within the Alignment, which Isabel understood.

In the meantime, however, she was quite possibly the best covert ops specialist the Alignment had produced in at least the last T-century. It amused Detweiler that those outside the Alignment's innermost circle often cherished doubts about Bardasano's sanity, particularly when it came to her attitude towards him. The fact that it was well known within Mesa's star lines that the Bardasanos had almost been culled meant that her apparent insouciance with him only added to her reputation for . . . oddness, and provided a valuable extra level of protection when he or one of his sons called upon her services. As he gazed at her across the desk, he toyed once more with the notion of telling her that a cross between the Bardasano and Detweiler genotypes was even then being evaluated, but decided against it. For now, at least.


It helps when the original text is included in a discussion. The main problems the Planning Board had with the Bardasona genome have already been dealt with; all that remains are the possibilities of mild sociopathy and sexual deviance.
The problem with Marinescu is that she enjoys the killing. Isabel is fearless and remorseless, but looks on killing as just business, nothing personal.


Thank you. I'd forgotten about that conversation, or rather that there had been an info-dump on Bardisano.

And I agree with your assessment, although I'd say that she enjoys playing with fire.
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Re: [Spoiler - UH] utube snippet
Post by cthia   » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:49 pm

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tlb wrote:
Storm from the Shadows, Chapter 20 wrote:
But some of those "hedonistic sybarites" were anything but useless drones, and Bardasano was a prime example. In fact, she was the prime example. The Bardasano genotype had been notable for at least half a dozen generations for its intelligence and ruthless determination. There'd been a few unfortunate and unintended traits, as well, unhappily, and at one point there'd been serious consideration of simply culling the line's last several iterations and starting over again from a significantly earlier point. The positive traits had been so strong, however, that a remedial program had been instituted, instead, and Isabel was the current example of how successful it had been. It had been necessary to eliminate two of her immediate predecessors when their inherent ruthlessness had made them just a bit too ambitious for anyone else's good, but intelligent ambition, properly tempered, was always a useful thing, as Bardasano herself demonstrated. And if there was still a slight tendency towards sexual disorders and mildly sociopathic behaviors, neither of those posed any serious handicap, especially for someone whose area of expertise was covert operations. Of course, they'd have to be dealt with in the next generation or two if the Bardasano line was going to earn back permanent alpha status within the Alignment, which Isabel understood.

In the meantime, however, she was quite possibly the best covert ops specialist the Alignment had produced in at least the last T-century. It amused Detweiler that those outside the Alignment's innermost circle often cherished doubts about Bardasano's sanity, particularly when it came to her attitude towards him. The fact that it was well known within Mesa's star lines that the Bardasanos had almost been culled meant that her apparent insouciance with him only added to her reputation for . . . oddness, and provided a valuable extra level of protection when he or one of his sons called upon her services. As he gazed at her across the desk, he toyed once more with the notion of telling her that a cross between the Bardasano and Detweiler genotypes was even then being evaluated, but decided against it. For now, at least.


It helps when the original text is included in a discussion. The main problems the Planning Board had with the Bardasona genome have already been dealt with; all that remains are the possibilities of mild sociopathy and sexual deviance.
The problem with Marinescu is that she enjoys the killing. Isabel is fearless and remorseless, but looks on killing as just business, nothing personal.


Thanks for the additional textev. But I doubt the stubbornness gene in the forum is going to acknowledge that the two women are both Bardasanos.

Do allow me to point out that the problem in the Bardasano line has not been dealt with as I digest it. Simply a band-aid has been placed on the wound with the "remedial treatment." Of course I personally wonder exactly what that "remedial treatment" entails. The aforementioned date with a Gaul dishing out shock therapies that I previously suggested, maybe? LOL

It is interesting that the textev you supplied brings up sociopathy. My niece had already sent me an interesting email that I wasn't going to post because it was after I threw in the towel. But, what the heck. I've noticed resentment of previous posts of my niece's thoughts but I can't take credit for what ain't mine. Though I'd like to in most cases. So you'll just have to get over it.

niece wrote:Interesting pile of stinky conundrum you've gotten yourself into again. Whenever I'm bored I know exactly where to find entertainment. Although it's ever costly in popped corn. lols

"So far as Chernyshev was aware, on the other hand, there was no known history of instability in Marinescu’s genome."

It appears to me that everyone is misinterpreting this quote because of a very profound subtlety found in its possessive nature.

It says there was no known history of stability in Marinescu's personal genome and not The Marinescu genome itself as it does with Bardasano. Which if it did, it would clear the path for their counter argument. Along the same corridor, the quote does not say Bardasano's genome but THE Bardasano genome. There is an ocean of difference.

It appears the passage does not specifically refer to the "Marinescu genome" as it does "The Bardasano genome" because the passage assumes its free flowing nature implies the subject of the genome.

Perhaps they do not realize playing with genetic code is like baking cookies. Sometimes you get a bad batch. Sometimes they are okay but there is just a little too much of one ingredient, obviously nutmeg in this case, which leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

This contains the entire logic of why Cherneyshev brings up psychopathy. Marinescu, up to that point hadn't FU and let the psychopathic cat out of the bag that she does suffer from the same power outage.

In addition, it seems to be a moot point since they all agree that Marinescu is psychopathic. Which means she shares the same instability of the Bardasano gene exposed by the author. Do they think that is a coincidence? This is where your birds of a feather flock together.

Discussing it with mother, it should be mentioned there are varying levels of psychopathy. Bardasano could somehow exhibit less severe forms of the disorder bordering more on sociopathy which mother identifies as psychopathy with a conscience.

It is interesting they all acknowledge Marinescu shares the same instability that is found in the Bardasano genome, but cannot take the next obvious step.



Contrast:

Marinescu's genome with The Marinescu genome.
Bardasano's genome with The Bardasano genome.

That should clear things up. Well, it should.

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Re: [Spoiler - UH] utube snippet
Post by quite possibly a cat   » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:54 pm

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tlb wrote:
Storm from the Shadows, Chapter 20 wrote:
But some of those "hedonistic sybarites" were anything but useless drones, and Bardasano was a prime example. In fact, she was the prime example. The Bardasano genotype had been notable for at least half a dozen generations for its intelligence and ruthless determination. There'd been a few unfortunate and unintended traits, as well, unhappily, and at one point there'd been serious consideration of simply culling the line's last several iterations and starting over again from a significantly earlier point. The positive traits had been so strong, however, that a remedial program had been instituted, instead, and Isabel was the current example of how successful it had been. It had been necessary to eliminate two of her immediate predecessors when their inherent ruthlessness had made them just a bit too ambitious for anyone else's good, but intelligent ambition, properly tempered, was always a useful thing, as Bardasano herself demonstrated. And if there was still a slight tendency towards sexual disorders and mildly sociopathic behaviors, neither of those posed any serious handicap, especially for someone whose area of expertise was covert operations. Of course, they'd have to be dealt with in the next generation or two if the Bardasano line was going to earn back permanent alpha status within the Alignment, which Isabel understood.

In the meantime, however, she was quite possibly the best covert ops specialist the Alignment had produced in at least the last T-century. It amused Detweiler that those outside the Alignment's innermost circle often cherished doubts about Bardasano's sanity, particularly when it came to her attitude towards him. The fact that it was well known within Mesa's star lines that the Bardasanos had almost been culled meant that her apparent insouciance with him only added to her reputation for . . . oddness, and provided a valuable extra level of protection when he or one of his sons called upon her services. As he gazed at her across the desk, he toyed once more with the notion of telling her that a cross between the Bardasano and Detweiler genotypes was even then being evaluated, but decided against it. For now, at least.


It helps when the original text is included in a discussion. The main problems the Planning Board had with the Bardasona genome have already been dealt with; all that remains are the possibilities of mild sociopathy and sexual deviance.
The problem with Marinescu is that she enjoys the killing. Isabel is fearless and remorseless, but looks on killing as just business, nothing personal.

Bold Mine.

I think this settles the question of if the Malign trying to get their own pet sociopaths. The answer is no. They think its a bad thing.
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