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Imperial titles & the SEM
Post by TangoLima   » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:24 pm

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Will the SEM have new Imperial titles ?
If so might Mike Henke become an Archduchess, most
probably a life-title, due to her proximity to the
throne ?
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Re: Imperial titles & the SEM
Post by Eagleeye   » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:04 pm

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TangoLima wrote:Will the SEM have new Imperial titles ?
If so might Mike Henke become an Archduchess, most
probably a life-title, due to her proximity to the
throne ?


New titles are not really important enough, at least that's my opinion. After all, Manticore and its allies are fighting for their very survival. So, such niceties as new titles for the dukes and earls and barons of the star empire will have to wait for the succesful conclusion of the present unpleasentness.
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Re: Imperial titles & the SEM
Post by Fireflair   » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:34 pm

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I'd imagine there will be new titles, because despite the fact that the GA is fighting the flabby juggernaut that is the SL there are always people who will worry about such things. Especially in the sort of organization which is the lords.
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Re: Imperial titles & the SEM
Post by PeterZ   » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:28 am

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One wonders what sort of "lands" will support these new grand titles? Will they be rights to natural resources from beyond the SKM? Perhaps grazing rights in Montana or fishing rights in Spindle? If it is simply a tax payer subsidy, enobeling even worthy folk will get old fast.

If I were out in Talbot and I wanted to recognize, say, Ginger Lewis, I would offer fights to undeveloped assets. A resort archipelago in Nuncio or mining rights in the Dresden asteroid belt are things that require work and development to generate an income. Give heroes those accolades but require the recipient to further be of use to the Empire by developing the system that supports her ennoblement. Ginger gains a titles, great, she's now Archduchess of Scarlet. Now, girl, get your peers in the Peerage to help you develop its asteroid belt or the new Archduchess will be one poverty stricken noble.

I wonder which system in Talbot will be first to use ennoblement to speed up their industrial development?
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Re: Imperial titles & the SEM
Post by TangoLima   » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:43 am

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While it is true that the main focus of the books are
the war(s) there is also a lot of political interaction.
Which I enjoy as it fills out my world view.
Rereading the HoS section on the Imperial government
prompted my post.
History would indicate the title Archdu-ke/chess could
only be carried by an Imperial family member, per HRE
and Austria
Manticore already has planetary Grand du-ke/chess as
titles.
The SEM must start as it means to go on. Getting the
Imperial government set up correctly will lead to long
term stability.
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Re: Imperial titles & the SEM
Post by Eagleeye   » Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:08 am

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TangoLima wrote:While it is true that the main focus of the books are
the war(s) there is also a lot of political interaction.
Which I enjoy as it fills out my world view.
Rereading the HoS section on the Imperial government
prompted my post.
History would indicate the title Archdu-ke/chess could
only be carried by an Imperial family member, per HRE
and Austria
Manticore already has planetary Grand du-ke/chess as
titles.
The SEM must start as it means to go on. Getting the
Imperial government set up correctly will lead to long
term stability.


No doubt about that - but you have to properly organize your empire first, else (I hope these stray into our reality is forgivable, but it's imho the best thing comparable that I can think of just this moment) you put your hand in the same grinder as the EU did with its EURO. Things like united currencies (or, in your case, imperial titles) belong to the last things you need to think of. First you have to prepare your house orderly. In case of currency: adjusting of social systems, pension systems, tax systems etc. In case of titles - all of the things above plus military and political adjustments. As soon as all these things run more or less properly for at least a decade or so, you can think to create new imperial titles.
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Re: Imperial titles & the SEM
Post by munroburton   » Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:55 am

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They already have a (possibly unofficial) distinction between "Kingdom titles" and "Imperial titles," thanks to there being two Houses of Lords now; the original one in the oSKM Parliament and the new one in the SEM's Imperial Parliament.

Peers sitting in the latter could be described as Imperial peers.
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Re: Imperial titles & the SEM
Post by drothgery   » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:41 pm

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munroburton wrote:They already have a (possibly unofficial) distinction between "Kingdom titles" and "Imperial titles," thanks to there being two Houses of Lords now; the original one in the oSKM Parliament and the new one in the SEM's Imperial Parliament.

Peers sitting in the latter could be described as Imperial peers.

I believe RFC has mentioned that some peerages carry planetary-level assembly seats, not Kingdom-level.
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Re: Imperial titles & the SEM
Post by PeterZ   » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:46 pm

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For Talbot systems, why insist on a political responsibility? A Talbot peer may run for office just like anyone else. Perhaps those star systems will limit their peerage in some way, like providing rights to undeveloped resources but not to a guaranteed political position.
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Re: Imperial titles & the SEM
Post by TangoLima   » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:51 pm

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Might Talbot peers be only the 5 per system allocated
to the Imperial House of Lords ? Perhaps without
any requirement for 'lands'. HoS has general outlines
but is very thin on detail. I enjoy the political side
of the Honorverse stories and would be thankful for
any more back round himself would dole out.
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