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by kzt » Wed May 24, 2017 5:36 pm | |
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People are adpated to 1.0 g by millions of years of evolution.
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by saber964 » Thu May 25, 2017 7:12 pm | |
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IIRC the scientists of the Whittaker expedition and Dr. Hobbard used counter-grav because they were only going to be on planet for a relatively short time frame. The Whittaker expedition would only be on planet for one to possibly as long as three years. Remember in SK3 W Ex members moved temporarily to Manticore because of the gravity difference. To understand what the Whittaker expedition is going through try this walk around with an additional 35 % added to your body weight. It would be the equivalent of walking around with a child on your back. If you weigh 100 pounds add another 35 pounds and walk around all day or 150 lbs add 47.5 lbs or 200 lbs add 70 lbs. How many parents have walked around with your kid(s) in a backpack carrier all day. You could probably do it for two to three hours but by the end of that time you'd want nothing more than a hot bath or shower and a bucket of your favorite pain killer.
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by cthia » Thu May 25, 2017 10:46 pm | |
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This is a topic we can easily move to Free-Range and discuss for years. I must point out something I'm sure we're all aware of. There is a difference between prejudice and racism. I certainly agree that prejudices will always exist. Even in the Honorverse. After the Final Wars I am gobsmacked that racism exists, after the ultimate struggle for life itself. Or does it? Having a problem with one's gene mods is not true racism is it? No more than characterizing the hatred for the color of someone's skin racism. It is not the color of the skin that people hate. It is what they have erroneously been taught to associate with that color, what people hate. Most racists cannot logically validate their racism in a formal setting. That is not to say that racists do not ultimately hate a particular group even if their own personal reasoning or lack thereof is in error. I suppose it seems to me to be a bit hard to accept, or sad, that so far into the future one's prejudices or racism isn't at least "understood." In the Honorverse, should enmity for someone's gene mods be characterized as racism or prejudice? Everyone knows that racism is fueled by fear and ignorance. Certainly the gene mods of the MAlign are characterized by fear. Most likely the MAlign would characterize it as ignorance. I can't quite put a finger on what's nagging me. In the Honorverse, if there were only one race, let's say Caucasians for sake of argument. If all manner of gene mods are applied to this one race alone and then there are those who do not accept one particular group because of certain gene mods then that would denote prejudice; it certainly could not be considered racism in the truest sense. If the Andermani were settled in all normal gravity planets and had no need for gene mods then certainly they might have an understandable aversion to any who do. The included passage posted about Stephanie Harrington confuses me. Being from Sphinx, are her parents concerned with other Sphinxians or off-worlders in her reference to strangers? Certainly all of the planet itself are genies. Some just opted for different "accessories?" Beth's worry confuses me the most. She is the Queen of Manticore. She sets the stage for what is accepted. Actually, I always thought that Beth's concern and secrecy was more from worry about someone "cooking up" something to target the Winton genome. To continue, if there is a planet of Germans, let's say the Andermani, if different families acquired different gene mods how could prejudice or racism stem from that? I'm certainly not claiming that either couldn't, or wouldn't happen. Simply that it seems that groups with various gene mods should only be considered as having effected different "implants."
Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense |
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by cthia » Thu May 25, 2017 10:52 pm | |
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I cannot seem to find out what sort of gene mods the Andermani might have or the G rating of New Potsdam.
Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense |
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by Vince » Fri May 26, 2017 2:59 am | |
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I don't think the Andermani have any general (across the entire population) gene mods. Gustav Anderman brought in microbiologists and genetic engineers to modify the terrestrial plant life introduced to Potsdam (Kuan Yin): Italics are the author's, boldface is my emphasis. Note: Potsdam is the planet, New Berlin is the star system. -------------------------------------------------------------
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by cthia » Fri May 26, 2017 6:25 am | |
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"Don't forget us," says the MAlign (ironically from the back of the class) whose "Mensa mods" includes resistance against mental deficiencies. Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense |
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by cthia » Fri May 26, 2017 6:50 am | |
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Absolutely saber, nice post. Plus—if I might add FYI what was added to my own per my Romanian friends who are mostly all MDs—higher G planets represent not just an inconvenience of carrying around more weight. Inside of the body represents its own differences. Human biology, the machine that is the human body, is designed to work at 1 G and has become quite comfortable within those parameters per millions of years of evolution. Some human bodies are not as resilient to the smallest deviation of the norm in any circumstance. Individual human frailty. Repeated exposure to a significantly higher than normal G could have an accumulative long term effect which I imagine would be a prohibiting factor in choosing to settle on a planet whose G is significantly higher than your native, w/o being preconditioned with mods. Akin to playing with fire and skating on thin ice. Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense |
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by Dauntless » Fri May 26, 2017 8:39 am | |
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Stephanie emigrated to sphinx (or rather her parents did, and took her along, when she was about 8), she was not born there. |
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by Theemile » Fri May 26, 2017 11:27 am | |
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The Harringtons were originally citizens of Meyerdahl, another high G planet which was developed early, and one which the population was genetically engineered to live on before the galactic prejudice against genies existed. Thus the Harrington family's brought their previous mods with them (from a planet where having mods was the norm) and were already used to environments like Sphinx. ******
RFC said "refitting a Beowulfan SD to Manticoran standards would be just as difficult as refitting a standard SLN SD to those standards. In other words, it would be cheaper and faster to build new ships." |
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by saber964 » Fri May 26, 2017 5:44 pm | |
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What the Harrington's are worried about is the prejudices that still exists at the time. Remember Earth is still recovering from the Final War four hundred plus years after it ended. In Stephanie Harrington time calling someone a genie was a very vulgar epithet but by the time of Honor Harrington it's considered mild profanity. |
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