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Eridani Edict Violation of the most Dismissive Kind...

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Re: Eridani Edict Violation of the most Dismissive Kind...
Post by cthia   » Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:20 pm

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WeirdlyWired wrote:
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And if (despite assurances by RFC) MA was to use EEVs it has shown that it sets no real value on human life. it would not bother with surgical attacks. 100 years of nuclear winter should do the trick.


My friends hounded me on this one as well. I surmised the MAN might choose to utilize their stealth ability to effect a completely surgical strike rewriting the book on EEV because their tech puts the capability into their hands. And because the MAlign would surely know as well as we know that in the case of genocide a galaxy wide APB would be put out on their heads.

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Re: Eridani Edict Violation of the most Dismissive Kind...
Post by Jonathan_S   » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:31 am

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kzt wrote:
Jonathan_S wrote:I guess it would depend on how much volume you'd have to devote to those capacitors* and how important they view long duration low power surveillance. (in other words what's the opportunity costs of including them vs how valuable they'd be)


And remember you need enough capacitors to not just run the drone also to provide the significant restart power to fire the reactor back up

It's been clearly stated by David that there is no restart capability.

Oops - I didn't remember that :o
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Re: Eridani Edict Violation of the most Dismissive Kind...
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:49 am

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kzt wrote:
Jonathan_S wrote:I guess it would depend on how much volume you'd have to devote to those capacitors* and how important they view long duration low power surveillance. (in other words what's the opportunity costs of including them vs how valuable they'd be)


And remember you need enough capacitors to not just run the drone also to provide the significant restart power to fire the reactor back up

It's been clearly stated by David that there is no restart capability.

I know David said this about missiles. Did that apply to drones as well?
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Re: Eridani Edict Violation of the most Dismissive Kind...
Post by kzt   » Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:03 am

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It's the same reactor as the missiles.

Apparently David decided that the way the RMN starts their reactors is by piping in 50 million degree plasma under a couple of million pascals of pressure. To which I say "It's his series".
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Re: Eridani Edict Violation of the most Dismissive Kind...
Post by Fox2!   » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:08 pm

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kzt wrote:It's the same reactor as the missiles.

Apparently David decided that the way the RMN starts their reactors is by piping in 50 million degree plasma under a couple of million pascals of pressure. To which I say "It's his series".


I was going to ask, K or C. But at that point, 273 degrees C difference doesn't amount to much.
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Re: Eridani Edict Violation of the most Dismissive Kind...
Post by Duckk   » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:25 pm

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kzt wrote:It's the same reactor as the missiles.

Apparently David decided that the way the RMN starts their reactors is by piping in 50 million degree plasma under a couple of million pascals of pressure. To which I say "It's his series".


He said that missile impellers cannot be restarted. I cannot recall any instance of him saying microfusion plants cannot be dialed down, then back up.
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Re: Eridani Edict Violation of the most Dismissive Kind...
Post by kzt   » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:34 pm

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Duckk wrote:He said that missile impellers cannot be restarted. I cannot recall any instance of him saying microfusion plants cannot be dialed down, then back up.

"The tiny fusion plants in question require an external power source to initiate the reaction, and that power is now provided from the missile launchers rather than in the form of capacitor charges while the missiles are still in the magazines."
http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/en ... gton/174/0

That's what all the plasma conduits are for. So unless you have a running conventional fusion plant bolted to your recon drone it's going to be hard to restart the micro reactor.

And it seems I mis-remembered, the reactor in the recon drone is similar but bigger. So it's not identical.
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Re: Eridani Edict Violation of the most Dismissive Kind...
Post by Jonathan_S   » Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:30 pm

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kzt wrote:
Duckk wrote:He said that missile impellers cannot be restarted. I cannot recall any instance of him saying microfusion plants cannot be dialed down, then back up.

"The tiny fusion plants in question require an external power source to initiate the reaction, and that power is now provided from the missile launchers rather than in the form of capacitor charges while the missiles are still in the magazines."
http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/en ... gton/174/0

That's what all the plasma conduits are for. So unless you have a running conventional fusion plant bolted to your recon drone it's going to be hard to restart the micro reactor.

And it seems I mis-remembered, the reactor in the recon drone is similar but bigger. So it's not identical.
Which is, IIRC, why Mk23 pods all have a microfusion reactor of their own. It's used to fire up the missiles' reactors. (And once you've got all that power on hand might as well shoehorn a tractor emitter into the pod)

I'd guess that it would have to spin them up sequentially - that such a small reactor couldn't generate the plasma to simultaneously start 9 or 10 similar sized reactors.
So I wonder if a podnaught was rolling pods for immediate firing if it has the hook-ups to ignite all those missiles' reactors itself or if it always has to light just the pod's reactor and let it fire up the missiles after the pod has been rolled.
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Re: Eridani Edict Violation of the most Dismissive Kind...
Post by kzt   » Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:40 pm

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Jonathan_S wrote:So I wonder if a podnaught was rolling pods for immediate firing if it has the hook-ups to ignite all those missiles' reactors itself or if it always has to light just the pod's reactor and let it fire up the missiles after the pod has been rolled.

Don't know. But exactly how are the system defense pods supposed to work? They defenders are supposed to service them once a week, and they have a running fusion reactor all the time? Kind of simplifies they whole map the defenses trick when the pods are all glowing from radiated heat.
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Re: Eridani Edict Violation of the most Dismissive Kind...
Post by Jonathan_S   » Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:12 pm

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kzt wrote:
Jonathan_S wrote:So I wonder if a podnaught was rolling pods for immediate firing if it has the hook-ups to ignite all those missiles' reactors itself or if it always has to light just the pod's reactor and let it fire up the missiles after the pod has been rolled.

Don't know. But exactly how are the system defense pods supposed to work? They defenders are supposed to service them once a week, and they have a running fusion reactor all the time? Kind of simplifies they whole map the defenses trick when the pods are all glowing from radiated heat.

I though it was just normal shipboard pods used as impromptu system defense that required that frequent a servicing interval. I got the impression that the real system defense pods (even before they started stuffing them with 4-stage MDMs) had much longer service intervals because they were designed for prolonged deployments.

Good thing authorial implicit fiat means that IR isn't normally much of an issue in Honorverse stealth. The combat would be far different if that wasn't the case.
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