Jonathan_S wrote:Theemile wrote:Henke first used several ship carried Hermes buoy at Salon to control what was left of her wounded Agamemnon's pods as a Havenite SD squadron rolled up on her. She had ~300 pods, and the Hermes buoys were only able to tell the pods to "aim over there-ish... and fire!" using the hastily made lashup her tac department was able to set up.
4200 mk-16 missiles surprise fired inside energy range from behind the advancing squadron were only able to destroy a couple BCs (presumedly, upgraded Warlords) and damage a couple more - due to the limited FTL lashup Hermes allowed.
Yes, that's described the 2nd time that battle is described (1st in AAC, 2nd in Storm from the Shadows)
Of course unlike the Mk23's Honor used with Hermes as a bluff during the Battle of Manticore the Mk16's Ajax dropped couldn't receive FTL updates from Hermes at all. Basically all Hermes did was reduce the pre-launch update lag as Ajax continued her slow acceleration away from the impromptu minefield of pods full of Mk16s. Ghost Rider drones fed the latest info on the targets to Ajax via FTL, Ajax pushed that to the Hermes buoys dropped near the pods via FTL, and the Hermes buoys pushed the targetting updates into the missiles resting in their pods via comm laser (or possibly short ranged radio - but lightspeed links)
Then the launch order went from Ajax to the missiles the same way; Ajax to Hermes, Hermes to pods. But it sounds like once the missiles fired they were basically hands off -- even less control that Honor could give the Mk23s.Storm from the Shadows wrote:Any sort of precise fire control over such a jury rigged control link, with its limited bandwidth and cobbled-up target selection, was impossible, of course. But it was good enough to ensure that each of those missiles had been fed the emissions signatures of the battlecruisers it was supposed to attack. Accuracy might be poor, compared to a standard missile engagement, and the EW platforms and penetration aids were far less effective without proper shipboard updates, but the range was also incredibly short, which gave the defense no time to react.
Still an innovative combination of available hardware to make the dropped missile-pod trap more effective.
Aren't Hermes Buoys stealthy? I got the impression that the Peeps were completely oblivious to them. I recall Tourville's astonishment at the lack of any significant lag time of Honor's response—fueling the feeling that they couldn't see them as Honor had to explain what they were and that they were seeded throughout the system. I'm sure the Peeps didn't see the need to target and destroy communications buoys after the fact, but still.
At any rate, because of the input I better understand the limitations. However, it seems the capability could still serve systems of interest such as Beowulf and Sphinx who may be behind receiving Mycroft or Moriarty and or have limited Keyhole II ships available. Are Hermes Buoys already emplaced and being used in Beowulf and Sphinxian Space?
Also, having the option at least available seems sobering, especially if the mysterious capabilities of a navy like the MAN do to the GA what the RMN did to the Peeps and begin localizing Mycroft and Moriarty and killing them.
Matter of fact, even if only good for a one time use before a perspective enemy gets a clue, a much cheaper system of this kind - which can be available now - can be used to effectively increase Torch's defenses. Especially against an unsuspecting enemy coming in all fat, happy and stupid. Like Byng and Crandall.