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Re: Hacking 2000 years from now...
Post by Annachie   » Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:44 am

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pnakasone wrote:
cthia wrote:DoD should scrap everything they have now and start anew. They should proceed as if rats are in their system at the very moment. Once your system has been compromised and the infiltrators are allowed to roam your system unchecked for years. Trash it!

That costs a huge of amount of time and money. The people who control the budget do not want to pay for it no matter how much sense it would make,

They'd rather spend money on flashy things that look good in photo ops.
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Re: Hacking 2000 years from now...
Post by cthia   » Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:28 pm

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Religious humor...

If there was a God and He could be hacked you'd find one of two things...

1. It was completely unnecessary as you were already in the system.
2. You are not in the system. Followed by a blue screen of death.

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Re: Hacking 2000 years from now...
Post by cthia   » Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:20 pm

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Vince wrote:
cthia wrote:2000 years from now. hacking will have become so sophisticated that not even the human brain will be safe.

See MAlign and nanite. Some of our brains already show signs of being hacked.

There is the possibility that your chances of getting Alzheimer's may be increased by the herpes simplex virus (the type that causes cold sores). So yes, our brains might being hacked right now. Since the rest of our bodies' organs are under attack from diseases and other substances (carcinogens), why should our brains be exempt?

A virus that wipes out memory. Go figure.

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Re: Hacking 2000 years from now...
Post by Annachie   » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:40 am

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Watching Westworld, the TV series, and realize the premis of the show is a computer program with memory leaks.

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Re: Hacking 2000 years from now...
Post by aairfccha   » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:21 am

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Vince wrote:There is the possibility that your chances of getting Alzheimer's may be increased by the herpes simplex virus (the type that causes cold sores). So yes, our brains might being hacked right now.
Possibility? That's part of the the reproduction strategy of Toxoplasma Gondii! Granted, it is actually aimed at rodents but it affects humans as well.
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Re: Hacking 2000 years from now...
Post by pnakasone   » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:53 pm

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Annachie wrote:Watching Westworld, the TV series, and realize the premis of the show is a computer program with memory leaks.

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One issue is as far as we can tell their is no cost effective way to erase data from computer memory beyond the point it can not be recovered with the right equipment and software.

They only sure way to make data unrecoverable from computer storage media is to completely destroy the storage media.
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Re: Hacking 2000 years from now...
Post by George J. Smith   » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:09 pm

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pnakasone wrote:
Annachie wrote:Watching Westworld, the TV series, and realize the premis of the show is a computer program with memory leaks.

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One issue is as far as we can tell their is no cost effective way to erase data from computer memory beyond the point it can not be recovered with the right equipment and software.

They only sure way to make data unrecoverable from computer storage media is to completely destroy the storage media.



That is more or less saying that incremental overwriting, even up to 10X, will still leave previous data recoverable.
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Re: Hacking 2000 years from now...
Post by pnakasone   » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:47 pm

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George J. Smith wrote:That is more or less saying that incremental overwriting, even up to 10X, will still leave previous data recoverable.


They have recovered usable data from HD that have under gone levels of overwriting and reformatting that you would swear should not leave any recoverable data.
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Re: Hacking 2000 years from now...
Post by Tenshinai   » Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:31 pm

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pnakasone wrote:
George J. Smith wrote:That is more or less saying that incremental overwriting, even up to 10X, will still leave previous data recoverable.


They have recovered usable data from HD that have under gone levels of overwriting and reformatting that you would swear should not leave any recoverable data.


It should be noted though, that this has become increasingly more difficult over time, due to HDDs write precision improving greatly along with data density.

Essentially if you take a 20 year old HDD, every time it overwrites each bit, it almost never does so exactly on top of the previously written bit in the same place, leaving a slightly offset shadow, this is obvious enough that in many cases, software alone can recover several of these previous writes and even distinguish properly which bits belong together.

Now, with increased data density, the write heads precision have been forced to improve a LOT, so it tends to get more and more difficult to read previous writes because they overlap more and more exactly.
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Re: Hacking 2000 years from now...
Post by pnakasone   » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:38 pm

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Tenshinai wrote:
It should be noted though, that this has become increasingly more difficult over time, due to HDDs write precision improving greatly along with data density.

Essentially if you take a 20 year old HDD, every time it overwrites each bit, it almost never does so exactly on top of the previously written bit in the same place, leaving a slightly offset shadow, this is obvious enough that in many cases, software alone can recover several of these previous writes and even distinguish properly which bits belong together.

Now, with increased data density, the write heads precision have been forced to improve a LOT, so it tends to get more and more difficult to read previous writes because they overlap more and more exactly.


Considering what can be a stake their is incentive for people to develop better tools to recover data. A few years from now what is unrecoverable will be recoverable with the right tools.
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