Comparative price of military expenses to overall economy.

Relax wrote:Daryl, that is nice when comparing say, the USA to IRAQ. It does not compute when it is Germany verses France in WWI. Haven vrs Manticore is far closer to Germany vrs France in WWI than USA vrs IRAQ.

In a war for survival, the spacer population should have exploded in regards to building new ship building slips. Instead we barely see a building program increase at all. There should have been tens of millions of people building ship building centers along with the smelters to create the basic materials infrastructure to build the ships in question along with the training of new ships crew.

Instead we got a ho hum, couple million working while the rest cross their fingers.

Gotta remember WWII the limitation was natural resources, not enough raw power as well to smelt, etc, not manpower in the case of the USA production. In Germany's case it was manpower and the simple fact their transportation infrastructure was blown to bits halting production. RFC is on record saying that the Honorverse civilizations do not have a choke point for natural resources OR power systems. Therefore the limitation is manpower. What do the books demonstrate? A lack of resources, not manpower. Otherwise there would be 10,000 building slips, and a hundred thousand ships, not the couple hundred we see produced. They literally should have had idle ships sitting in orbit they could not man if manpower truly was their limitation when natural resources were NOT the limitation.

Belial666 wrote:It's the same. X amount of food/water/consumables, X amount of personal amenities, X cost for personal housing, X amount of entertainment. In the partitioned economy model, the rest of the nation is only giving each person in the military those resources and nothing else - it's the job of everyone in the military to work and make everything else the military needs. Of course, the navy has a lot more guys overall than the army if you include everyone needed to make it work.

You want a superdreadnought? People in the military will mine the asteroids, people in the military will refine the ore, people in the military will fabricate the parts, people in the military will assemble and construct the hull, people in the military will build and maintain the production lines for components and missiles, people in the military will train the crew, people in the military will be in R&D, people in the military will be in administration, and people in the military will finally crew and run it.

Relax wrote:Daryl, that is nice when comparing say, the USA to IRAQ. It does not compute when it is Germany verses France in WWI. Haven vrs Manticore is far closer to Germany vrs France in WWI than USA vrs IRAQ.

In a war for survival, the spacer population should have exploded in regards to building new ship building slips. Instead we barely see a building program increase at all. There should have been tens of millions of people building ship building centers along with the smelters to create the basic materials infrastructure to build the ships in question along with the training of new ships crew.

Instead we got a ho hum, couple million working while the rest cross their fingers.

Gotta remember WWII the limitation was natural resources, not enough raw power as well to smelt, etc, not manpower in the case of the USA production. In Germany's case it was manpower and the simple fact their transportation infrastructure was blown to bits halting production. RFC is on record saying that the Honorverse civilizations do not have a choke point for natural resources OR power systems. Therefore the limitation is manpower. What do the books demonstrate? A lack of resources, not manpower. Otherwise there would be 10,000 building slips, and a hundred thousand ships, not the couple hundred we see produced. They literally should have had idle ships sitting in orbit they could not man if manpower truly was their limitation when natural resources were NOT the limitation.

Tenshinai wrote:Oh wonderful, a pre-specialisation economic model. How marvelously stupid. Lets make sure everyone have too little time to get really good at their primary job.

It´s also not manpower, but TRAINED manpower.

need to keep the civillian economy running properly or else noone is going to pay for all those fancy ships.

Belial666 wrote:You want a superdreadnought? People in the military will mine the asteroids, people in the military will refine the ore, people in the military will fabricate the parts, people in the military will assemble and construct the hull, people in the military will build and maintain the production lines for components and missiles, people in the military will train the crew, people in the military will be in R&D, people in the military will be in administration, and people in the military will finally crew and run it.

Bill Woods wrote:I don't get this. Why would putting miners in uniform make them more efficient? Ditto for the refineries.

Relax wrote:They literally should have had idle ships sitting in orbit they could not man if manpower truly was their limitation when natural resources were NOT the limitation.

Tenshinai wrote:
It´s also not manpower, but TRAINED manpower that is one major bottleneck.

Relax wrote:Manufacturing, even Specialized manufacturing takes at best a year to train personnel on a crash basis. Second class 2 years out from initiation of decision. They may not be well rounded manufacturing specialists, but on an individual process specialty, they will be proficient. This is not a problem when massive manufacturing is initiated.