Non Asian Andermani

SharkHunter wrote:The Andermani are "mutts" in terms of their overall population makeup vs. the Graysons who are definitely Norte Americano (Idaho) and the Manticorans, who are definitely Norte Americano mix-mash, but the Andermani also have a huge Chinese influence based on one planet.

IIRC, Manticore was primarily founded by Western Europeans with a large minority of North American, and a scattering of others.

SharkHunter wrote: The Andermani are "mutts" in terms of their overall population makeup vs. the Graysons who are definitely Norte Americano (Idaho) and the Manticorans, who are definitely Norte Americano mix-mash, but the Andermani also have a huge Chinese influence based on one planet. Here's the textev:

Correction: According to HoS (and other, earlier textev), in regard to the Manticore Colony Ltd. original expedition:
"Sixty percent of the colonists were Western Europeans, with most of the remainder drawn from the North American Federation, the Caribbean, and a very small minority of ethnic Ukranians."

Post plague colonists were drawn from all over, including at least some non-Sol System promoting/recruiting (witness the Harrington clan). There is no evidence that any particularly North American predominance ever developed.

dreamrider

dreamrider wrote:

SharkHunter wrote: The Andermani are "mutts" in terms of their overall population makeup vs. the Graysons who are definitely Norte Americano (Idaho) and the Manticorans, who are definitely Norte Americano mix-mash, but the Andermani also have a huge Chinese influence based on one planet. Here's the textev:

Correction: According to HoS (and other, earlier textev), in regard to the Manticore Colony Ltd. original expedition:
"Sixty percent of the colonists were Western Europeans, with most of the remainder drawn from the North American Federation, the Caribbean, and a very small minority of ethnic Ukranians."

Post plague colonists were drawn from all over, including at least some non-Sol System promoting/recruiting (witness the Harrington clan). There is no evidence that any particularly North American predominance ever developed.

dreamrider

Correction accepted. Not sure where/why but I'd thought of the original colony, the 60% that got wiped out had shifted towards North America because of the "zero balancers", etc. which is why they had to set up a more British political system (house of lords/commons), while Sphinx got a higher percentage of the extra-Sol system group(s) who could handle the higher gravity. So I'll amen my original post to say mostly "Western European plus everywhere else mutts".

I've always assumed, given that the MCT had managed to remain based in Zurich through all of the vicissitudes of the Final War and Recovery and the rise of the League, that there might have been a bit of a bent toward Europe even in the post plague recruiting.

dreamrider

dreamrider wrote:I've always assumed, given that the MCT had managed to remain based in Zurich through all of the vicissitudes of the Final War and Recovery and the rise of the League, that there might have been a bit of a bent toward Europe even in the post plague recruiting.

dreamrider

By then, hyperdrive was fit for routine personal travel, grav waves were highways instead of the krakens of hyperspace, and even wormholes were beginning to be discovered. So the pool of colonists went far beyond Old Earth. (Which will have had some 500 years or so to recover from the Final War, but still may not have been a particularly teeming world then.)

So the post-Plague influx would likely have come from everywhere, with Old Earth at all providing only a small portion of the immigrants. Sphinx in particular may have drawn a lot of high-grav genies who didn't care to remain on worlds that bore the full brunt of post FW stigma against the genetically modified, since the Manticoran colonists had been sleeping in hyper for all that ugliness.

Question: do we have really all that much evidence that even Rabenstrange is all that "Asian" in his ethnicity, other than his first name? or how the Andermani political structure is set up? After all "New Potsdam" is the seat of gov't in the Andermani Empire.

We know he's roughly analagous to "Michelle Henke plus Michael Mayhew, in the overall Andermani power structure, cousin to the current Andermani Emperor et. al. Maybe his mother's family line and hence his name is of more Chinese extraction the same way that Allison Harrington's ancestry is quite heavily oriental, aka "chou and + Ramirez", Rabenstrange's father being of the "house of Gustav" etc.

Thoughts?

SharkHunter wrote:Question: do we have really all that much evidence that even Rabenstrange is all that "Asian" in his ethnicity, other than his first name? or how the Andermani political structure is set up? After all "New Potsdam" is the seat of gov't in the Andermani Empire.

We know he's roughly analagous to "Michelle Henke plus Michael Mayhew, in the overall Andermani power structure, cousin to the current Andermani Emperor et. al. Maybe his mother's family line and hence his name is of more Chinese extraction the same way that Allison Harrington's ancestry is quite heavily oriental, aka "chou and + Ramirez", Rabenstrange's father being of the "house of Gustav" etc.

Thoughts?

from what I understand the Andermani line is almost, by now, pure Chinese as Kuan Yin/Potsdam was pure Chinese and Anderman's entire fleet's ethnic makeup would disappear in that population through intermarriage

Plenty of people let their spouses name their children and if all the names in the 'culture' (e.g. holovids, books etc.) are chinese...

BobfromSydney wrote:Plenty of people let their spouses name their children and if all the names in the 'culture' (e.g. holovids, books etc.) are chinese...

That's the point, The AE is 30+ worlds and it is specifically stated that the Empire allows ALOT of autonomy on its worlds and with how due to the lack of interstellar FTL com's every world's media would be pretty much culturally independent. The Manticore system would be unique with its 3 worlds being as connected as modern earth being no more then a few hours apart, effectively rebroadcasting by timezone even pre FTL com

Weird Harold wrote:I suspect the percentage of any population that travels between the stars and/or interacts with star-travelers is fairly small. That would tend to keep inter-breeding to the level of background noise.

This is a good key point. Even with relatively inexpensive interstellar travel, it is not likely the costs/person would be anywhere as low as sea or air travel is today. Recall how small the crew is on those giant freighters.

I read that research using today's genome reading capability turned up an average of 60+ mutations/person/generation in a sample population of about 250. Most of these must be harmless, or we would already be in major trouble: no known mechanism for culling mutations can clear out the accumulative clutter that fast. Would the mutation rate be higher (radiation, etc.) for star travelers? Of course we know that Honorverse technology is capable of clearing out mutations, but would it be too expensive for use on anything that isn't seriously major?