How many Alpha line individuals are in the RF systems?

Just how many people of how many Alpha lines are on those planets for the RF?

We have been told that the top leadership family of each of the RF have been on-planet for generations. So how many other local families are Alpha lines and how many people in support positions might there be? We have seen that a number of officers of the Mannerheim System are at last Alphas.

How is the Alignment building up an maintaining these lines? Who are they marrying to maintain the "improvements" that represent the Alpha lines? Has the Alignment gotten deep enough penetration of the health and medical institutions in these systems that they can covertly keep the Detweiler Code running without the knowlege of anybody who actualy matters from realizing that they maniplulating the genetics of the top of the ruling group and others?

I suppose that it is possible that the Alignment could get enough people in place so that they could replace the embryos of the leadership (with their knowledge since they are Alignment) with ones that have been "improved" with the latest of what the Long Term Planning Board and Alignment Departments want. Spouses don't actually have to be told, particularly if it has become normal to do genetic screening/cleaning & tweeting (but not tell the spouse all of the tweeking) of what is going on and so you avoid having all of those "ordinary" and probably dominant genes getting in the way of the Alpha modifications for new generation.

That several thousand people does't make a blip in a population that runs to a billion is understood, but there has to be a major support structure to keep pushing the Alignment development, breeding programs, and enfocement of programs running to plan. But how big is this operation on these planets?

That plus "what is the difference between an Alpha-line" and a gamma line", etc. and how many more lines are there? How many different "alpha lines" are there? Plus if Detweiler's three sons are "genetic clones", then is cloning part of the MAlign's nasty bag of tools for genetic uplift, etc.?

I'd have to think that if Darius is indeed the MAlign's blitzkrieg in space force, etc. as some have surmised, MOST if not all of their shock troops would likely be "enhanced" to some extent, but perhaps not enough to negate a gamma line bodyguard's like Kirollos. Plus, the smarter the humans, the more likely the rebellion(s) after all and wouldn't that just throw a nifty spanner into the works where the master plan was concerned.

SharkHunter wrote:That plus "what is the difference between an Alpha-line" and a gamma line", etc. and how many more lines are there? Plus if Detweiler's three sons are "genetic clones", then is cloning part of the MAlign's nasty bag of tools for genetic uplift, etc.?

I'd have to think that if Darius is indeed the MAlign's blitzkrieg in space force, etc. as some have surmised, MOST if not all of their shock troops would likely be "enhanced" to some extent, but perhaps not enough to negate a gamma line bodyguard's like Kirollos. Plus, the smarter the humans, the more likely the rebellion(s) after all and wouldn't that just throw a nifty spanner into the works where the master plan was concerned.

Interesting questions. Another is how many lines are there? is there a delta line, epsilon line, etc? Is this the start of the caste system - with each line designed for their specific role in the overall society and the alpha=alpha lines (The Detweilers ) destined for the master leadership role?

Alright I know that that is three questions, not one. They are still interesting.

fallsfromtrees wrote:

SharkHunter wrote:That plus "what is the difference between an Alpha-line" and a gamma line", etc. and how many more lines are there? Plus if Detweiler's three sons are "genetic clones", then is cloning part of the MAlign's nasty bag of tools for genetic uplift, etc.?

I'd have to think that if Darius is indeed the MAlign's blitzkrieg in space force, etc. as some have surmised, MOST if not all of their shock troops would likely be "enhanced" to some extent, but perhaps not enough to negate a gamma line bodyguard's like Kirollos. Plus, the smarter the humans, the more likely the rebellion(s) after all and wouldn't that just throw a nifty spanner into the works where the master plan was concerned.

Interesting questions. Another is how many lines are there? is there a delta line, epsilon line, etc? Is this the start of the caste system - with each line designed for their specific role in the overall society and the alpha=alpha lines (The Detweilers ) destined for the master leadership role?

Alright I know that that is three questions, not one. They are still interesting.

For sure we know two things:
1) Alpha line is the line of masters, similar to rase of master and all ideological stuff.
2) Lower line are similar to equites in Rome, powerful, but must serve more powerful.
3) Slaves are things which will serve any line named after letter of Greek alphabet.
About alpha lines we knew that in CoG(Cauldron of Ghosts), few were killed by Alignment, Bardasano was killed in Green Pines, I'm not sure but two were killed on one of freighters.
About super soldiers, if you can increase IQ, you should be able to decrease it. We need strong, big, muscular and tough soldiers, but intelligence isn't needed so way don't we just make them stupid. That would be worst material for traitors and they would be too stupid to betray us in first place. We could create something minimal worse than alpha for higher post in military and intelligence, it should be a good idea. If they would be able to create few lines, let's say three for higher ranks in military and intelligence and Navy that would give them incredible advantage. For Navy we need persons designed for high gee worlds, smart and that's all, for intelligence we need smart, intelligent and inventive. For higher ranks in ground forces excluding things like strength etc we need intelligent and people's able to think outside the box.
Going back to lines it's easiest to put them in order on model of Holy Roman Empire medieval social structure.
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[quote="Brigade XO"]Just how many people of how many Alpha lines are on those planets for the RF?

We have been told that the top leadership family of each of the RF have been on-planet for generations. So how many other local families are Alpha lines and how many people in support positions might there be? We have seen that a number of officers of the Mannerheim System are at last Alphas.

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Another Question is are the VISIBLE LEADERSHIP, although Alphas, the true leadership, or are we looking at another shadow organization ?

-- Stewart

[quote="Brigade XO"]Just how many people of how many Alpha lines are on those planets for the RF?


How is the Alignment building up an maintaining these lines? Who are they marrying to maintain the "improvements" that represent the Alpha lines? Has the Alignment gotten deep enough penetration of the health and medical institutions in these systems that they can covertly keep the Detweiler Code running without the knowlege of anybody who actualy matters from realizing that they maniplulating the genetics of the top of the ruling group and others?

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I suspect all pertinent traits are locked in as dominant. This may prove to be a handicap at some point in the future. (at one point in our genetic past, an appendix was needed, for some reason)


-- Stewart

stewart wrote:

Brigade XO wrote:Just how many people of how many Alpha lines are on those planets for the RF?

We have been told that the top leadership family of each of the RF have been on-planet for generations. So how many other local families are Alpha lines and how many people in support positions might there be? We have seen that a number of officers of the Mannerheim System are at last Alphas.

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Another Question is are the VISIBLE LEADERSHIP, although Alphas, the true leadership, or are we looking at another shadow organization ?

-- Stewart

It could be both, I think that part of them is in this visible leadership, but majority is in another organization which held critical non visible post. Similar to League, officially in charge is government and President, but in reality in charge are Mandarins

[quote="Brigade XO"]Just how many people of how many Alpha lines are on those planets for the RF?


I suppose that it is possible that the Alignment could get enough people in place so that they could replace the embryos of the leadership (with their knowledge since they are Alignment) with ones that have been "improved" with the latest of what the Long Term Planning Board and Alignment Departments want. Spouses don't actually have to be told, particularly if it has become normal to do genetic screening/cleaning & tweeting (but not tell the spouse all of the tweeking) of what is going on and so you avoid having all of those "ordinary" and probably dominant genes getting in the way of the Alpha modifications for new generation.

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If all embryos are routinely tubed, the manipulation becomes much easier. For the Alphas, this is likely the case

-- Stewart

Draken wrote:

SharkHunter wrote:That plus "what is the difference between an Alpha-line" and a gamma line", etc. and how many more lines are there? Plus if Detweiler's three sons are "genetic clones", then is cloning part of the MAlign's nasty bag of tools for genetic uplift, etc.?

I'd have to think that if Darius is indeed the MAlign's blitzkrieg in space force, etc. as some have surmised, MOST if not all of their shock troops would likely be "enhanced" to some extent, but perhaps not enough to negate a gamma line bodyguard's like Kirollos. Plus, the smarter the humans, the more likely the rebellion(s) after all and wouldn't that just throw a nifty spanner into the works where the master plan was concerned.

fallsfromtrees wrote:Interesting questions. Another is how many lines are there? is there a delta line, epsilon line, etc? Is this the start of the caste system - with each line designed for their specific role in the overall society and the alpha=alpha lines (The Detweilers ) destined for the master leadership role?

Alright I know that that is three questions, not one. They are still interesting.

For sure we know two things:
1) Alpha line is the line of masters, similar to rase of master and all ideological stuff.
2) Lower line are similar to equites in Rome, powerful, but must serve more powerful.
3) Slaves are things which will serve any line named after letter of Greek alphabet.
About alpha lines we knew that in CoG(Cauldron of Ghosts), few were killed by Alignment, Bardasano was killed in Green Pines, I'm not sure but two were killed on one of freighters.
About super soldiers, if you can increase IQ, you should be able to decrease it. We need strong, big, muscular and tough soldiers, but intelligence isn't needed so way don't we just make them stupid. That would be worst material for traitors and they would be too stupid to betray us in first place. We could create something minimal worse than alpha for higher post in military and intelligence, it should be a good idea. If they would be able to create few lines, let's say three for higher ranks in military and intelligence and Navy that would give them incredible advantage. For Navy we need persons designed for high gee worlds, smart and that's all, for intelligence we need smart, intelligent and inventive. For higher ranks in ground forces excluding things like strength etc we need intelligent and people's able to think outside the box.
Going back to lines it's easiest to put them in order on model of Holy Roman Empire medieval social structure.
Dietweilers
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Alpha lines
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Beta lines
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\/
Gamma lines
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\/
Slaves

I don't think that we know that the two killed on the freighter were alpha line - just individuals important enough to be evacuated by Houdini - same for the two who were culled during Houdini. They weren't important enough to evacuate, but knew enough that they had to be eliminated.

Draken wrote:We need strong, big, muscular and tough soldiers, but intelligence isn't needed so way don't we just make them stupid. That would be worst material for traitors and they would be too stupid to betray us in first place. We could create something minimal worse than alpha for higher post in military and intelligence, it should be a good idea. If they would be able to create few lines, let's say three for higher ranks in military and intelligence and Navy that would give them incredible advantage. For Navy we need persons designed for high gee worlds, smart and that's all, for intelligence we need smart, intelligent and inventive. For higher ranks in ground forces excluding things like strength etc we need intelligent and people's able to think outside the box.

No, there have actually been studies on what constitutes the idea infantryman. Iirc, the WW2 one found it was highy intelligent, high mechanical aptitude, mental toughness, etc. As was pointed out by the discussion of that study, these were not generally the people that ended up in infantry in WW2 in the US Army. Which might have some connection with This comment to Patton:

"The poorer the infantry, the more artillery it needs; the American infantry needs all it can get."
French General Koechlin-Schwartz, speaking to U.S. General George S. Patton on two occasions. "The Patton Papers, 1940-1945"; George Smith Patton, Martin Blumenson; Houghton Mifflin (1972); pp.520-521