mike henke

how is mike henke older than queen elizabeth when her mother was the heir to her brother king roger until elizabeth was born and confirmed

dennis535 wrote:how is mike henke older than queen elizabeth when her mother was the heir to her brother king roger until elizabeth was born and confirmed

Mom got married and had Mike before Roger had Elizabeth. The line of succession before Elizabeth is born is therefore:
Roger (reigning)
Mike mother (whose name escapes me at the moment)
Mike
After Elizabeth's birth:
Roger
Elizabeth
Mike's mother (whose name still escapes me)
Mike
After Elizabeth's younger brother is born (and his name also escapes me at the moment), the succession runs:
Roger
Elizabeth
Elizabeth's younger brother
Mike's mother (whose name still escapes me)
Mike

fallsfromtrees wrote:

dennis535 wrote:how is mike henke older than queen elizabeth when her mother was the heir to her brother king roger until elizabeth was born and confirmed

Mom got married and had Mike before Roger had Elizabeth. The line of succession before Elizabeth is born is therefore:
Roger (reigning)
Mike mother (whose name escapes me at the moment)
Mike
After Elizabeth's birth:
Roger
Elizabeth
Mike's mother (whose name still escapes me)
Mike
After Elizabeth's younger brother is born (and his name also escapes me at the moment), the succession runs:
Roger
Elizabeth
Elizabeth's younger brother
Mike's mother (whose name still escapes me)
Mike

You're thinking of Duchess Caitrin.

I admit, it is kind of odd to think that Honor is, in fact, older than Elizabeth.

fallsfromtrees wrote:Mom got married and had Mike before Roger had Elizabeth. The line of succession before Elizabeth is born is therefore:
Roger (reigning)
Mike mother (whose name escapes me at the moment)
Mike
After Elizabeth's birth:
Roger
Elizabeth
Mike's mother (whose name still escapes me)
Mike
After Elizabeth's younger brother is born (and his name also escapes me at the moment), the succession runs:
Roger
Elizabeth
Elizabeth's younger brother
Mike's mother (whose name still escapes me)
Mike

You're forgetting Mike's older brother (who was killed in the assassination attempt on Elizabeth & Benjamin at Grayson in Ashes of Victory).

drothgery wrote:

fallsfromtrees wrote:Mom got married and had Mike before Roger had Elizabeth. The line of succession before Elizabeth is born is therefore:
Roger (reigning)
Mike mother (whose name escapes me at the moment)
Mike's older brother
Mike
After Elizabeth's birth:
Roger
Elizabeth
Mike's mother (whose name still escapes me)
Mike's older brother
Mike
After Elizabeth's younger brother is born (and his name also escapes me at the moment), the succession runs:
Roger
Elizabeth
Elizabeth's younger brother
Mike's mother (whose name still escapes me)
Mike's older brother
Mike

You're forgetting Mike's older brother (who was killed in the assassination attempt on Elizabeth & Benjamin at Grayson in Ashes of Victory).

Absolutely Correct. I had remembered a brother but couldn't remember if he was older or younger. I've modified the list above to show the corrected order

what happened to the law that required that the crown marry a commoner if mike's mother married a lord

dennis535 wrote:what happened to the law that required that the crown marry a commoner if mike's mother married a lord

I would assume that if two nobles are married, and by succession the "heir" becomes the crown, then their spouse would forego their title / heirship, etc. as their child would become the next set of heirs, and their holdings would either become part of the crown's reserves, or similar.

The requirement to marry a commoner if you are the heir keeps the bloodline from getting terribly inbred, and would also keep a corrupt family from amalgamating power by marriage(s).

roseandheather wrote:I admit, it is kind of odd to think that Honor is, in fact, older than Elizabeth.

Ya lost me -- I got that Michelle Henke is older than both Honor and Elizabeth, but not Honor older than Elizabeth? Admittedly I haven't looked it up however...

SharkHunter wrote:

dennis535 wrote:what happened to the law that required that the crown marry a commoner if mike's mother married a lord

I would assume that if two nobles are married, and by succession the "heir" becomes the crown, then their spouse would forego their title / heirship, etc. as their child would become the next set of heirs, and their holdings would either become part of the crown's reserves, or similar.

The requirement to marry a commoner if you are the heir keeps the bloodline from getting terribly inbred, and would also keep a corrupt family from amalgamating power by marriage(s).

It probably has to do with the difference between "heir presumptive" and "heir apparent". Caitrin's position could be displaced by the birth of Roger's child, and by the time she married, Roger was already heavily involved with Angelique. So though Caitrin was the heir to the Manticoran throne, everyone knew she probably wouldn't stay that way.

Elizabeth, on the other hand, was heir apparent to her father, meaning that nobody could displace her in the line of succession. Thus, the requirement to marry a commoner would apply to her (as it did to her father), but not to Caitrin, who was only the heir to the throne until her niece came along.

(Royal succession is something of a hobby of mine, can you tell?)

SharkHunter wrote:

roseandheather wrote:I admit, it is kind of odd to think that Honor is, in fact, older than Elizabeth.

Ya lost me -- I got that Michelle Henke is older than both Honor and Elizabeth, but not Honor older than Elizabeth? Admittedly I haven't looked it up however...

Presuming that both Honor and Michelle went to the Academy at the usual age (which appears to be seventeen or eighteen, as it is today), they're going to be pretty much of an age, as we know they were in the same graduating class - they have to have been born within a year of each other, and Honor was born in 1859, whereas Elizabeth was born in 1865.