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Re: New ship idea
Post by Theemile   » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:32 pm

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Brigade XO wrote:And what is the capasity out at Matapan and in at Hennesy in the way of SEM having any actual yard space for naval work in addition to engineering and repair ships?

If they have some military manufacturing capability they might be abel to manufacturer some of basic types of routine maintenece components or parts. That would take some of the pressure off whatever exists in the Manticore Home System. They should be able to take ships in for mainenence, perhaps including various levels of battle damage. They will probably be a place to do training or apprenticeship time for some of that new workforce.

Matapan's closest system doen't have a habital planet but I presume that it is a local source of materials for the facilities located out at the terminus. Of the two, Matapan should be safer as it is a long way from anywhere (that we know of) other than Manticore and the now friendly Aldermani Empire.

Hennesy's facilities may or may not be vastly under-utilized just now since that terminus is closed to Solly flagged ships. Of course it could also be seeing an upswing in traffic and related rise in ship repair work (civilian) as traffic starts to flow though there under "neutral" flags rather than spit in the eye of SLN by using the Beowulf terminus.


We really don't know what is ther outside the "reinforcements for the Battle of Manticore" pearl. Both were covered by a Cruiser level force, iirc. But no work was made of their infrastructure. Chances are there is little more than the equivalent of a repair ship or 2 at each, since the main warehousing and repair systems are just on the other side of the wormhole.
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Re: New ship idea
Post by JeffEngel   » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:33 pm

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fallsfromtrees wrote:Shannon spent a good portion of a year aboard HMAMC Wayfarer and witnessed first hand what a hollow-core pod-layer could do. It wouldn't surprise me to find RHNS Sovereign of Space was mostly designed in her spare time before her "Oops!" moment.

Except that she wouldn't have an opportunity do do anything about it until she becomes the head of R&D following the coup.

She wouldn't, no, but being aboard one of the first CLAC's and podlayers around ("freighter(P)"!), even if it was as a converted freighter, would have had her start thinking; would have had anyone who considered her reports thinking; and would have made figuring out what hit them with Buttercup not quite something coming at them cold, in terms of building their own. So it slices off some fraction of the expected Havenite design time, especially on podlayers.

It's different for CLAC's - the key elements to the modern RMN LAC are (1) modern fission plants mostly, but also (2) beta-squared impeller nodes. Haven didn't build its modern LAC's with either of those; they built them entirely to handle the modern RMN LAC's. (Why they didn't build specialist DD's to do that under those conditions, I do not know; I also don't know how they got over the low speed of the old-style LAC with their new ones. Anyone else?)
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Re: New ship idea
Post by kzt   » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:51 am

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Armed Neo-Bob wrote:I thought it was kinda confusing; but I thought his explanation of what was where also made sense. I just wish he'd have been more explicit in the first place; but that post isn't exactly recent.

If my connection was better, I'd go get the link for it.

Rob

Sure, if they hadn't in the previous section of the book talked about how secure Weyland was, which was where everyone hearing this briefing had just come.

The people being told this just came from Weyland, they know it is where secret R&D is done and how it is kept safe. There is a mental discussion of this in the previous section.

What the speaker here is saying is that this design is SO secret that they built it far from the prying eyes at Weyland.

In the civilian construction yard at Wayland. Which is mysteriously somehow much more secure then the classified R&D construction yards at Wayland. Which is why everyone on the ship is being ferried way out into deep space from Wayland, because the ship is so secret it can't be allowed to get close to Wayland. Except when it was built there in the civilian yards, and towed out from there, and trials run etc.

So I find this retcon less than totally convincing.
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Re: New ship idea
Post by stewart   » Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:33 am

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JeffEngel wrote:It's different for CLAC's - the key elements to the modern RMN LAC are (1) modern fission plants mostly, but also (2) beta-squared impeller nodes. Haven didn't build its modern LAC's with either of those; they built them entirely to handle the modern RMN LAC's. (Why they didn't build specialist DD's to do that under those conditions, I do not know; I also don't know how they got over the low speed of the old-style LAC with their new ones. Anyone else?)


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Haven essentially started with an armed pinnace / shuttle and took out EVERYTHING they didn't need, then built up what was required for an LAC. (I believe from questions by Denis LePic or Everard Honeker when asking basic questions of what was required for an LAC)

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Re: New ship idea
Post by Jonathan_S   » Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:44 am

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stewart wrote:
JeffEngel wrote:It's different for CLAC's - the key elements to the modern RMN LAC are (1) modern fission plants mostly, but also (2) beta-squared impeller nodes. Haven didn't build its modern LAC's with either of those; they built them entirely to handle the modern RMN LAC's. (Why they didn't build specialist DD's to do that under those conditions, I do not know; I also don't know how they got over the low speed of the old-style LAC with their new ones. Anyone else?)


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Haven essentially started with an armed pinnace / shuttle and took out EVERYTHING they didn't need, then built up what was required for an LAC. (I believe from questions by Denis LePic or Everard Honeker when asking basic questions of what was required for an LAC)

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It's also possible, since these were being built as almost a pure anti-lac screening unit, that they might have accepted a much higher percentage of it's mass being allocated to drive nodes (at the expense of, say, missiles or life support). So even without the beta squared node to get that power into less mass/volume they might have been able to shoehorn in more powerful nodes by making compromises that weren't considered acceptable when the goal had been a cheap gunboat designed to at least threaten full up starships.
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Re: New ship idea
Post by roseandheather   » Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:00 pm

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munroburton wrote:
Weird Harold wrote:I doubt any Invictus class will be at the front of the queue for replacement, since they are already KHII/Apollo capable. It will be interesting to see what Bolthole Specials are like once they start to enter service; I wonder who will get the lead ship and what it will be named.


With Haven building them... probably the Javier Giscard, if there isn't already one. As for who gets the first one, I suspect the assortment of senior flag officers will want to keep their current flagships(consider that Hamish commanded Buttercup from an old-style SD, plus Tourville and Henke retaining their BC flagships), so it probably winds up under a 'mid-range' Havenite. Oliver Diamoto, perhaps?

Each component of the GA will probably name the class differently, after the first ship they take delivery of.

Actually, universally naming the class after Jack McBryde might deliver an interesting message.


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Re: New ship idea
Post by JeffEngel   » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:08 pm

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roseandheather wrote:
munroburton wrote:With Haven building them... probably the Javier Giscard, if there isn't already one.


i hate you i am going to punch you in the face don't speak to me don't even look at me

And, given that it would be a crowning achievement of peace and alliance between the reborn Republic and SEM, President Pritchart would certainly be expected to launch the Javier Giscard....

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Re: New ship idea
Post by stewart   » Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:45 am

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JeffEngel wrote:With Haven building them... probably the Javier Giscard, if there isn't already one.
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Jeff -- you're setting yourself up for a world of hurt.

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Re: New ship idea
Post by JeffEngel   » Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:19 am

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stewart wrote:
JeffEngel wrote:With Haven building them... probably the Javier Giscard, if there isn't already one.



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Jeff -- you're setting yourself up for a world of hurt.

Just saying.

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If we got a world of hurt every time we jerked tears out of Rose, we'd be a universal bruise by now. I'm gonna live on the edge!

Besides, I'll sniffle some myself.
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Re: New ship idea
Post by roseandheather   » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:36 am

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JeffEngel wrote:
If we got a world of hurt every time we jerked tears out of Rose, we'd be a universal bruise by now. I'm gonna live on the edge!

Besides, I'll sniffle some myself.


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