Horrifying Thought About Prolong

cthia wrote:

JohnRoth wrote:
I don't see using prolong to extend life sentences, for the simple reason of expense: it costs a lot to keep someone in durance vile, let alone prison. A life sentence is basically a way of insuring that the person never gets out to rejoin society and do whatever they did to earn the sentence, by a society that's too squeamish to simply execute the bastard.

Note - I had something extremely horrifying involving [censored] and [expurgated], but I wasn't able to figure out how to format it so it wouldn't show up unless someone selected it. How to do that?

I think I'm gonna toss my cookies.

John, I think what you had was horrifying ... but an awesome thought. What happened to that post?!

Think about the flip side.
PMS and access to Nuclear weapons.

SCC wrote:OK, I was over on another board reading a thread about Full Metal Panic and someone made a comment about putting hormonal teenage girls in command of warships. Then I realized something, in Ms. Midshipwoman Harrington Honor, whilst legally 20 her prolong made her appear younger, and from some comments in others book I'm pretty sure she would have been physiologically pre-pubescent at this point.

Didn't her mother try to buy her a night with an escort as a present for graduating the academy?

exiledtoIA wrote:
Think about the flip side.
PMS and access to Nuclear weapons.

SCC wrote:
OK, I was over on another board reading a thread about Full Metal Panic and someone made a comment about putting hormonal teenage girls in command of warships. Then I realized something, in Ms. Midshipwoman Harrington Honor, whilst legally 20 her prolong made her appear younger, and from some comments in others book I'm pretty sure she would have been physiologically pre-pubescent at this point.

Didn't her mother try to buy her a night with an escort as a present for graduating the academy?

Um, make that "PMS" and "hysteria".

See the pamphlet on hysteria in the Cupid thread, initial post. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5117&hilit=cupid

JohnRoth wrote:I don't see using prolong to extend life sentences, for the simple reason of expense: it costs a lot to keep someone in durance vile, let alone prison. A life sentence is basically a way of insuring that the person never gets out to rejoin society and do whatever they did to earn the sentence, by a society that's too squeamish to simply execute the bastard.

Amen.

Unless you are putting the criminal's life in a tiny box, 3 inches larger on all sides then the criminal themselves, and locking them away there for the duration of prolong.

JohnRoth wrote:
I don't see using prolong to extend life sentences, for the simple reason of expense: it costs a lot to keep someone in durance vile, let alone prison. A life sentence is basically a way of insuring that the person never gets out to rejoin society and do whatever they did to earn the sentence, by a society that's too squeamish to simply execute the bastard.

Note - I had something extremely horrifying involving [censored] and [expurgated], but I wasn't able to figure out how to format it so it wouldn't show up unless someone selected it. How to do that?

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cthia wrote: I think I'm gonna toss my cookies.

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cthia wrote:John, I think what you had was horrifying ... but an awesome thought. What happened to that post?!

If you saw the one that started "Trigger Warning," I removed that part of the text after a minute or so. I really don't want to put something that plumbs the utter depths of legalized depravity on here without concealing it so people can't stumble into reading it by mistake. This is not alt.[redacted].

I've tried color=white, but it shows up nicely against the grey background, and color=ltgray (or grey) just shows up as black. I've seen it on this forum, but I don't remember the secret incantation to make it invisible.

JohnRoth wrote:I don't see using prolong to extend life sentences, for the simple reason of expense: it costs a lot to keep someone in durance vile, let alone prison. A life sentence is basically a way of insuring that the person never gets out to rejoin society and do whatever they did to earn the sentence, by a society that's too squeamish to simply execute the bastard.

Note - I had something extremely horrifying involving [censored] and [expurgated], but I wasn't able to figure out how to format it so it wouldn't show up unless someone selected it. How to do that?

It appear that most star nations would probably invoke capital punishment than the life-without-parole option. But when a convicted felon is given a high number of years in prison eg the StateSec guard in EoH IIRC sentenced to 70-75 years he will serve every one of those years.

JohnRoth wrote:

JohnRoth wrote:
I don't see using prolong to extend life sentences, for the simple reason of expense: it costs a lot to keep someone in durance vile, let alone prison. A life sentence is basically a way of insuring that the person never gets out to rejoin society and do whatever they did to earn the sentence, by a society that's too squeamish to simply execute the bastard.

Note - I had something extremely horrifying involving [censored] and [expurgated], but I wasn't able to figure out how to format it so it wouldn't show up unless someone selected it. How to do that?

cthia wrote:
I think I'm gonna toss my cookies.

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cthia wrote:
John, I think what you had was horrifying ... but an awesome thought. What happened to that post?!

JohnRoth wrote:
If you saw the one that started "Trigger Warning," I removed that part of the text after a minute or so. I really don't want to put something that plumbs the utter depths of legalized depravity on here without concealing it so people can't stumble into reading it by mistake. This is not alt.[redacted].

I've tried color=white, but it shows up nicely against the grey background, and color=ltgray (or grey) just shows up as black. I've seen it on this forum, but I don't remember the secret incantation to make it invisible.

Yes, "Trigger Warning" is the one. I'd like to, humbly, request a re-posting of it. It was a horrifying thought, but quite an insightful and thought provoking one. Besides, I don't think it was too bad to post at all. I'm just personally a bit squeamish myself. I can't even give blood without the threat of passing out. But that's just me. Besides, it is a shame for all who missed it. It was a rather sobering thought. Amusing as well, but sobering for damn sure.

SCC wrote:from some comments in others book I'm pretty sure she would have been physiologically pre-pubescent at this point.

Didn't her mother try to buy her a night with an escort as a present for graduating the academy?

Yes, she did try that. Also I seem to recall reading somewhere that Honor didn't get prolong treatment until she went into the academy. Further as a child or prolong recipients I've inferred she was a late bloomer and prolong only made it worse.

cthia wrote:
John, I think what you had was horrifying ... but an awesome thought. What happened to that post?!

JohnRoth wrote:
If you saw the one that started "Trigger Warning," I removed that part of the text after a minute or so. I really don't want to put something that plumbs the utter depths of legalized depravity on here without concealing it so people can't stumble into reading it by mistake. This is not alt.[redacted].

After thinking it over, I'm not going to go there. I put "Trigger Warning" on it intentionally. While I don't have PTSD, I have run into a few situations that have given me nightmares and it's needed several weeks to flush, so I've got some degree of sympathy for people who do have PTSD.

Quite frankly I don't think this is a forum for anything that needs a trigger warning.

I can't, of course, stop you from broaching the subject.

I was actually expecting something a lot worse when i read the topic title .

That said whilst i hadn't actually pictured the Honor we know and love as looking much different in age than Weber said, (the text always seemed to hint subtly at the old ugly duckling syndrome even back in basilisk), i wouldn't point out that both Honor, and later Elizabeth have remarked, even now years later when they no longer have self image issue's, about their "flat chestednss" in those days. And a fair thought on your own days at that age should throw up more than a few examples of girls, and boy's, who where late starting their development, usually in the case of having their growth spurt first, though i saw the opposite and i did and have since seen the extreme of a 16 year old who's barely begun to develop an adult figure and hasn't hit their growth spurt. I've also got a niece who's the exact opposite having virtually finished both at a very young age.

So whilst Weber, (quite naturally), has a major and very important point to make, that doesn't mean there isn't some validity to the OP, whilst they're virtually certain to "grow out of it" by the time they reach command rank, their is the possibility that individuals still being subjected to hormones could be serving officer's, might even be surprisingly common.

However i don't see a danger, the RMN and others have stringent appraisal procedures. If an officer is being affected by such an issue and it is affecting their judgment, their record and assignments would reflect this. Your not going to see a highly unpredictable individual put in a critical position, you just might see a greater tolerance of such things where there's a valid medical explanation for such. Indeed the serious cases would be weeded out in the initial pre-acceptance exams.

Basically it may be an issue in the sense the RMN needs to take account of it in appraisals and recruitment, but their will be procedures in place to handle it. Besides, 20 somethings are rarely known for excellent judgment IRL as traffic accident rates show, so it's not much more of an issue than it would be without prolong.