Stuck in hyper space

boballab wrote:Incorrect again. The quote I provided tells you that a Wormhole Bridge is nothing more than focused Hyperspace NOT a Grav Wave and the the example you gave just points out that the Terminus of a Wormhole Bridge PRODUCES Grav Waves not is one, just like a Star produces Grav Waves that can effect a ship in Hyper that gets too close.

Weird Harold wrote:

Lord Skimper wrote:There has been talk that something can happen and one can get stuck in hyperspace. Which is generally viewed as bad. But if one is stuck in hyper space couldn't one survive and perhaps thrive or be rescued? One could get stuck unable to turn but one could slow down and stop and await rescue or call for help.

I'm not sure if it was the Honorverse or some other SF series, but IIRC prolonged stays in Hyperspace drive people crazy.

Jonathan_S wrote:

boballab wrote:Incorrect again. The quote I provided tells you that a Wormhole Bridge is nothing more than focused Hyperspace NOT a Grav Wave and the the example you gave just points out that the Terminus of a Wormhole Bridge PRODUCES Grav Waves not is one, just like a Star produces Grav Waves that can effect a ship in Hyper that gets too close.

Nitpick; a star produced gravity that affects a ship that tries to exit hyperspace too close.

But you seem to be able to fly 'across' star systems in hyper just fine. Not only doesn't they affect ships that get 'too close' (as long as they don't try to exit) but they don't even generate a detectable effect in hyper (or else it'd be a lot easier to navigaete) Any grav disturbance big enough to affect a ship would almost have to be be visible to sensors from a least a few lightminutes beyond the point it can actually affects a ship.

Lord Skimper wrote:Don't warshaski sails produce the power for the ship, while in hyperspace?

Lord Skimper wrote:Also don't impellars have to worry about interacting with the grav bands not just grav waves. Particularly when crossing them.

Weird Harold wrote:

Lord Skimper wrote:Don't warshaski sails produce the power for the ship, while in hyperspace?

No.

Lord Skimper wrote:Also don't impellars have to worry about interacting with the grav bands not just grav waves. Particularly when crossing them.

No.

wiki wrote:. Transiting different bands did have drawbacks, as the boundaries between hyper bands were full of high energy surges which could destroy an unwary ship. The higher the band, the faster a vessel would travel. This was especially deadly in the early years of the Diaspora of Man. A less deadly drawback is that in order to break into a higher band, a certain percentage of relative speed was bled off. This speed could be made up after fully moving into the band. For early reaction drive ships, constantly re-accelerating after transitioning (assuming the survived the transition in the first place) proved too energy intensive. It was only after the development of the Warshawski sail that both of these drawbacks were negated.
The danger of dimensional shear was not present when ships translated down through the bands as far as hardware was concerned. Humans, on the other hand, experienced physical distress and nausea, which was stronger the faster the ship was going when it translated. Ships slowed to one fifth of their relative velocity each time they performed a translation down through the bands. Without renewed acceleration, this could mean that a ship's velocity could slow to a crawl if they translated down through many bands (a ship travelling at 90,000 km/s or approx .3 c would be reduced to 144 km/s if it went through four translations from the Delta band to n-space).

Naval crews were trained for crash translations, yet there was a limit to what training could do to offset the effects, so crash translations were avoided unless absolutely necessary. (HH6)

The sail was an adaptation of the usual gravitic node used in the impeller drive. It was an extended force field at the bow and stern of a starship perpendicular to the axis of the ship. It served as a way to control the forces which gravity waves produced in hyperspace and thus greatly increase safety. It extended several hundred of kilometers and coruscated colorfully with the energies it handled. The sail was ineffective in normal space, but invaluable in hyperspace. Additionally, the sail could tap into the large energy fluxes in hyperspace and so provide enough power to essentially run the entire ship during its time in hyperspace. This reduced fuel expense considerably, making star transport, even of large masses, economically feasible.

The gravitic nodes used to produce the sail had to be tuned to work with each other properly, and if sufficiently out of tune, a sail could fail catastrophically. Maintenance was important as the nodes and tuners used for sails endured considerable stress and had to be replaced, at high expense, relatively often compared to the life of a starship.

The sails themselves were invisible to the naked eye, but the energies they handled not only could be seen, but most people thought them beautiful, in the way that planetary auroras are. (HH2)

Lord Skimper wrote:Don't warshaski sails produce the power for the ship, while in hyperspace?

Weird Harold wrote:No.

Lord Skimper wrote:Also don't impellars have to worry about interacting with the grav bands not just grav waves. Particularly when crossing them.

Weird Harold wrote:No.

Lord Skimper wrote:Now that is just plain Weird

wiki wrote:. Transiting different bands did have drawbacks, as the boundaries between hyper bands were full of high energy surges which could destroy an unwary ship. The higher the band, the faster a vessel would travel. This was especially deadly in the early years of the Diaspora of Man. A less deadly drawback is that in order to break into a higher band, a certain percentage of relative speed was bled off. This speed could be made up after fully moving into the band. For early reaction drive ships, constantly re-accelerating after transitioning (assuming the survived the transition in the first place) proved too energy intensive. It was only after the development of the Warshawski sail that both of these drawbacks were negated.
The danger of dimensional shear was not present when ships translated down through the bands as far as hardware was concerned. Humans, on the other hand, experienced physical distress and nausea, which was stronger the faster the ship was going when it translated. Ships slowed to one fifth of their relative velocity each time they performed a translation down through the bands. Without renewed acceleration, this could mean that a ship's velocity could slow to a crawl if they translated down through many bands (a ship travelling at 90,000 km/s or approx .3 c would be reduced to 144 km/s if it went through four translations from the Delta band to n-space).

Naval crews were trained for crash translations, yet there was a limit to what training could do to offset the effects, so crash translations were avoided unless absolutely necessary. (HH6)

The sail was an adaptation of the usual gravitic node used in the impeller drive. It was an extended force field at the bow and stern of a starship perpendicular to the axis of the ship. It served as a way to control the forces which gravity waves produced in hyperspace and thus greatly increase safety. It extended several hundred of kilometers and coruscated colorfully with the energies it handled. The sail was ineffective in normal space, but invaluable in hyperspace. Additionally, the sail could tap into the large energy fluxes in hyperspace and so provide enough power to essentially run the entire ship during its time in hyperspace. This reduced fuel expense considerably, making star transport, even of large masses, economically feasible.

The gravitic nodes used to produce the sail had to be tuned to work with each other properly, and if sufficiently out of tune, a sail could fail catastrophically. Maintenance was important as the nodes and tuners used for sails endured considerable stress and had to be replaced, at high expense, relatively often compared to the life of a starship.

The sails themselves were invisible to the naked eye, but the energies they handled not only could be seen, but most people thought them beautiful, in the way that planetary auroras are. (HH2)

Vince wrote:The problem you are experiencing is that you are accepting the Wiki as accurate.

It isn't totally accurate, as it the information there is put up by readers, not the author. Don't rely on it without cross checking the information.

Rely instead on:

1) The actual descriptions given in the text of the books. This absolutely requires that you READ THE BOOKS. I can't emphasize ths enough. If all you are going by is the information on the Wiki and guesses based on that information, that is at least one reason why you have repeatedly been told you are wrong in your posts.

2) The information given by the author on Baen's Bar (and collected at thefifthimperium.com), the collection being referred to as the "Pearls of Weber." The Pearls are also listed on this site under the FAQ menu.

3) The information given by the author in his posts on this forum.SNIP