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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by Theemile   » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:47 am

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cthia wrote:
saber964 wrote:You really don't want to challenge Honor to a duel when she's pissed off at you. Because she's going to make you hurt before the death blow.

Summerville gut shot four times before blowing his brains out the back of his head.

Burdette reverse 7 sword cut. Massive pain before his head departed his body. He had a second or two of agony before the end.

Definitely agree. Is there really a good time to challenge Honor? Now that I think about it, Honor's genie status isn't exactly common knowledge either, so none of her challengers really knew who, or what, they were going up against. Poor intel on their part if "know your enemy" is something they aspired to. You can bet Honor researched her foe in great detail in each case.


Forget the Genie stuff. You have a girl who at 12 years old killed 2 Peak bears in the Sphixian Bush with a oversized handgun. As a teenager, she won pistol and rifle competitions. Entering the Academy, she qualified for the pistol and rifle competition teams, but instead took Neue Stile Handgemange, to challenge herself. As a Freshman, her natural abilities and native heavy worlder capabilities allowed her to routinely throw hand to hand combat instructors, and quickly move up the levels of the craft. As a field commander, she lead the raids against the Casimir field depot and Blackbird base with the Marines. At Grayson, she defeated a hit team with her treecat and a dinner service.

Really, no one has done their homework on Honor. Young shouldn't have messed with a heavy worlder hand to hand specialist in the shower, Macabeus shouldn't have tried to time the assassination attempt with her visit, Summerville shouldn't have tried a gun dual with someone who as a child took down apex predators, and Burdette shouldn't have attempted a swordfight with someone who can kill with a chaffing dish.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by ldwechsler   » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:32 pm

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Theemile wrote:
cthia wrote:You really don't want to challenge Honor to a duel when she's pissed off at you. Because she's going to make you hurt before the death blow.

Summerville gut shot four times before blowing his brains out the back of his head.

Burdette reverse 7 sword cut. Massive pain before his head departed his body. He had a second or two of agony before the end.

Definitely agree. Is there really a good time to challenge Honor? Now that I think about it, Honor's genie status isn't exactly common knowledge either, so none of her challengers really knew who, or what, they were going up against. Poor intel on their part if "know your enemy" is something they aspired to. You can bet Honor researched her foe in great detail in each case.


Forget the Genie stuff. You have a girl who at 12 years old killed 2 Peak bears in the Sphixian Bush with a oversized handgun. As a teenager, she won pistol and rifle competitions. Entering the Academy, she qualified for the pistol and rifle competition teams, but instead took Neue Stile Handgemange, to challenge herself. As a Freshman, her natural abilities and native heavy worlder capabilities allowed her to routinely throw hand to hand combat instructors, and quickly move up the levels of the craft. As a field commander, she lead the raids against the Casimir field depot and Blackbird base with the Marines. At Grayson, she defeated a hit team with her treecat and a dinner service.

Really, no one has done their homework on Honor. Young shouldn't have messed with a heavy worlder hand to hand specialist in the shower, Macabeus shouldn't have tried to time the assassination attempt with her visit, Summerville shouldn't have tried a gun dual with someone who as a child took down apex predators, and Burdette shouldn't have attempted a swordfight with someone who can kill with a chaffing dish.[/quote]

People always seem to forget Honor's genie background. Which is strange since a lot of Sphynxians have them. I doubt Summervale had any idea of her skills and it is a different one from being able to shoot bears...although keeping calm is a useful trait.
Add to that Nimitz tended to get a lot of headlines.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by cthia   » Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:03 am

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Likening Honor to Tsang, and Nimitz to the Dispatch Boat tasked with summoning Tsang at the moment of truth makes me laugh my ass off. Talk about a burst transmission! Imagine Nimitz sitting there watching Burdette intently, emotional impellers hot. As soon as he detected Burdette's crease he summoned the cavalry in a burst transmission . . .

<Now! Honor! Now! Cut the bastard in half!>

'SHA WING!'

<Now off with his head!>

'SHA WING!'

<Atta Girl>

<Thought you were going to kill my love affair with celery did you? Silly rabbit, Keys were meant to be cut>

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by cthia   » Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:04 am

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Kael Posavatz wrote:
cthia wrote:Oh, I don't doubt that Tester would have been on Honor's side. So there was no reason not to come clean and let Tester sort out the wicked.


To which I feel compelled to refer to:
Comte de Bussy-Rabutin wrote: God is usually on the side of the big squadrons against the small.


Honor is notably taller than most Graysons, which gives her the reach advantage.

And:
Voltaire wrote:God is on the side not of the heavy battalions but of the best shots.


While Honor might not have been the most experienced combatant, I believe that there is sufficient textev to argue that she is the superior shot (cut, whatever)


(Trying desperately not to make a pun about how it's a good thing Honor has never taken up golf)

Comte de Bussy-Rabutin isn't exactly correct. Voltaire is closer but yet so far. In fact, a good argument could be mounted against. Remember the story of Samson and Delilah? The Walls of Jericho? David and Goliath? Daniel in the lion's den? God is on the side of the righteous, not the mightiest. Might doesn't make right in God's eye. Faith of a mustard seed can move mountains. Be it mountains of evil or mountains of people. Strength comes from faith, not by secular magnitude. The bigger they are the harder they fall.

God only requires faith, as little as a mustard seed . . .

E = MC² - A little faith (Mass) goes a long way.

God created all the Mass of the world in six days. Then he said . . .

"Let there be light." So that we can C.


"I can't see! I can't see!

"What's the matter?"

"I got my eyes closed."


O ye of little faith.

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by Jonathan_S   » Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:27 pm

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cthia wrote:I've been meaning to ask. First, I have to admit that Honor & Co.'s discussion that there are undoubtedly many more unforeseen ways to squeeze utility out of the Apollo program never left my mind.

Consider the MDMs. Will it be useful to shut down the first stage just to force the enemy to lose lock then bring them back up, even if they are well within the missile's range and needing no ballistic stage? IOW, utilizing a ballistic component solely for the sake of confusing the enemy's ECM. Could that make them more effective under certain conditions, like a certain sweet spot in distance to target that wouldn't forego too much accel?

It is a tactic I always wondered about, which this new series of snippets reminded me of. Could it be useful? Especially if an enemy, perhaps malignant in origin, developed a more stubborn ECM and point defense.

Catching up on the forums after taking a break to avoid UH spoilers and came across this.

You'd be throwing away terminal velocity if you did an unnecessary drive shutdown. It might still have a place, but in a 3 drive MDM it wouldn't make sense to me to shut the 1st drive down early.

Yeah the defenders would lose tracking, but they'd be losing it in the earliest part of the missile's flight when they often can't separate an individual missile from the thundering herd anyway. They'd have lots of time (up to 6 minutes) once the 2nd and then 3rd drives came up to achieve a lock and engage, and the lower terminal velocity makes the intercept easier and gives the defense more time to take shots at the missile.

If you did a shutdown trick I think you'd want to insert the delay before your final drive, and hope that you'd guessed the enemy's future location well enough that you only needed to bring the final drive up for seconds to achieve firing position.



OTOH missile without wedges up lose most of their rad shielding, so if you were trying to coast in that close you run a somewhat higher risk of losses from proximity nukes. Plus if the enemy is maneuvering after your missiles go ballistic you'd have to run the final drive for much longer to get a firing position and that negates a lot of the advantage of disappearing off their tracking when the penultimate drive shuts down.

So maybe situtationally useful, but far from a slam dunk tactic - IMHO.
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