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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by lyonheart   » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:12 pm

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Hi Theemile,

Loomis, Swallow, Torch, NTM the SKM/SEM, all have large forests etc, but most planets with self government should have large forests etc, and the advantages of treecat scouts are incredibly obvious, one wonders how often treecats will almost automatically added to any treaty or aid package?

Being taken for granted is often worse than being ignored.

Definitely interesting times,

L


Theemile wrote:
PeterZ wrote:quote="lyonheart"Hi Pnakasone,

Is that Indonesian, Malaysian or Thai?

No shaving will be necessary, although KZT did make me smile.

Genghis apparently had adjusted quite well to the tropical climate just like Nimitz in EoH, so once they're there, there should be few problems. ;) [ hurrah for synonyms!]

I wouldn't be surprised if the treecats didn't have or get set aside reserves or enclaves with picket-wood trees and prey etc in an environmental dome, NTM Skydomes might have some experience and even be willing to do it at cost {although the Andermanni and RoH will probably insist on paying all costs], if necessary, as part of the 'homesteading' agreement to keep the new generation treecats closer to their Sphinx 'roots' to appease the conservative treecat elders. ;)

Something else to recognise is, are all the special treecat db's and shuttles that will be needed as Samantha/Golden Voice's plan unfolds, which will be modified to fit all treecat requirements, including far fewer human seats to hide under, etc.

Imagine how much prey, NTM rabbits, they may have to ship and restock?

Of course,Dispatch Boats ought to be big enough for the initial treecat colonies, but imagine the call signs and ship logos etc.

anyone for some fun suggestions? :D

All the very best,

Lquote
I believe I've posted before about potential revenue streams for treecats on other planets, Lyonheart.

Having a domed habitat replicating their Sphynxian environment is a good place to start. Have portions of it like a park where visitors can come in and have a picnic or play games where 'cats can join would be a nice place to start. Charge a small fee for admittance to defray the cost of upkeep for the dome. Those 'cats that work outside the dome can use a portion of their incomes to pay their expenses. I am sure that the SEM will offer a stipend for such colonies.

Furthermore, I am sure that 'cats will also purchase wilderness for their use. Heck, one wonders if we will see colonists in Swallow when next the story resumes. That sort of harsh wilderness would be an attractive place for adventuresome treecats. Perhaps there aren't enough trees, but I am sure they can make up for the additional exposure with some power tools/weapons. Heck, they would be perfect scouts for the safari outfitters once in the bush.


I mentioned in the past that we might see the Treecats request a survey of the planets of the SKM (and other friendly parties that will grant them rights, later) and look for other, near perfect, binomes for them to set up colonies around the SKM. Their forestry skills would be valued on planets like Loomis (not SKM), and clans may wish to hire out skilled "rangers" in the future to such planets.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by lyonheart   » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:19 pm

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Hi Saber964,

You're right it was three, when Genghis was alive.

Until he's replaced, it's down to two.

I'd expect Berry and all are important enough to make it sooner rather than later.

Best wishes,

L


saber964 wrote:According to textev treecats live currently on five planets.

Sphinx treecat homeworld
Manticore Monarch of Manticore and any regular visitors to Sphinx.
Gryphon small colony from Bright Water Clan in the Duchey of Harrington.

Grayson small colony numbering 42 treecats in Harrington Steading
Torch handful treecats bonded to ex-slaves. IIRC there are Three.

Small colonies likely to crop up on members of the Grand Alliance worlds of Haven and Beowulf with the possibility of Erewon and Smoking Frog getting some in the near future.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by Weird Harold   » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:10 pm

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lyonheart wrote:Imagine how much prey, NTM rabbits, they may have to ship and restock?



I can't say about other prey, but they only need two rabbits per planet. :D
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by PeterZ   » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:31 pm

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lyonheart wrote:Hi PeterZ!

I think Swallow Treecat Scouts would be fantastic! 8-)

Although Cripple Mountain Treecat Scouts [CMTS} doesn't quite have the same ring I'm afraid. ;)

But having no natural enemies in the system or planet could lead to an explosive population growth, though textev for 'cats is an average of four approximately every ten years IIRC, but that could still be a very explosive rate within the lifetime of a single treecat.

I've also posted some thoughts on all the things treecats could do to help the two legs, besides psycho analysis etc, detective work, mentoring children and teenagers, teaching, security screening, not just government but teachers, and civilian professionals of all kinds; once such professionals 'cats are plentiful, many contracts might require such sureties.

There are so many ways treecats could more than pay their way, NTM earning 'foreign exchange' to buy those wilderness areas, certainly entertainment transtellars like Disney will pay through the nose to be the first in the local interstellar neighborhood to attract some friendly aliens.

I can't help thinking of all the young memory singers modeling themselves on Golden Voice over the past ten-twelve years, who become the leader of their small group, NTM chief negotiator, and like the mythical hunter/lawyer scouts, run rings around the local two-legs. :)

Definitely very interesting times, if not "fascinating!"

L
lyonheart wrote:Hi Pnakasone,

Is that Indonesian, Malaysian or Thai?


I suspect Thai. Doesn't ring Maylay or Indonesian. If indeed that is a name.

One but of musing I've engaged in was how to employ sociopathic treecats. There are some human sociopaths who are functional in certain settings. I am sure that some of what passes for sociopaths in treecats can find utility in broader human society. I am thinking of those ill treecats that find ......discomfort in hearing too many mind voices. He is fine being in physical proximity to other beings and even communicating with other people, but prefers solitude in his mind. Undoubtedly such beings are rare as hens' teeth.

Such creatures make excellent policemen to for human societies. That or scouts for the military or even assassins/snipers. Can't shoot from distance, but can get in and out from in close.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by pnakasone   » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:37 pm

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lyonheart wrote:Hi Pnakasone,

Is that Indonesian, Malaysian or Thai?


P is the initial of my first name.

Nakasone is Japanese or specifically Okinawain.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by lyonheart   » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:03 pm

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Hi all,

I knew I had missed something what I had meant to suggest.

It wasn't Sorrow Singer and Jeremy X I meant to bond, but Alfred and Sorrow Singer.

Your thoughts and comments please.

L


quote="lyonheart"Hi cthia,

First, Torch doesn't have an official constitution yet, whatever the initial or interim compact they came up with in CoS, and while Helen was named as Berry's successor in SoS, I also doubt Berry is opposed to having children soon.

Berry's DNA is rather precious, she's such a emotionally balanced mature person, that it should be conserved as in RAH's "Beyond This Horizon", even with clones, besides children with Arai; even though cloning has never been part of RFC's Harrington story, ie only mentioned in passing, albeit mainly in the MAlign.

Regarding Helen, the fact that Berry chose her is impressive; Helen may have more empathy or ability to love the Torches than even she realizes, and Berry's choice would carry an awful lot of weight with her subjects, while Lars has never shown much empathy or caring for others aside from getting all the girls he can, though that might change if and when he matures, although that will be quite a story in itself. :)

The main problem with Jeremy X now that I think of it is that he doesn't have prolong, which is a real problem for treecats bonding with him.

Jeremy has been so remarkably perspicacious with the people around him, that I wonder whether he can have children, and if not is helping people realise who they're in love with faster than they will admit even to themselves, to grow his family by choice now, while he's still alive; or because he couldn't afford to be the father he'd want to be or insist upon, when his life expectancy was so poor as the Ballroom's leader.

Between Samantha and some very tough women including some ex-scrags, who really like what they see in Jeremy, I wonder how long his bachelor days are numbered.

Maybe 'X'. :)

While I'm no Rose, should we suggest possible bondings such as Sorrow Singer and Jeremy?

Or just one of her now even more dangerous guards, since memory singers are never allowed to travel alone.

His name might be 'The fastest four arms of death ever', and that was long before he got pistols his size. :lol:


Keep smilin'

L


cthia wrote:Question.

If the assassination attempt on Berry would have been successful, Helen would have succeeded her.

Helen is Crown Princess, but she has military responsibilities within the RMN. I'm sure Elizabeth wouldn't see her ascension as a problem but I wonder if Helen would want to be Queen. I suppose internally she accepts the possibility since she is the Crown Princess -- yet does she actually expect to be foisted upon the throne? I'm wondering if she would be willing to abdicate at this point, Lars being much older now. And whether Torch's Constitution would permit it.

Also, who else would be in the order of precedence? There hasn't been enough time to "seed" the batters box.

drunken wiki informant wrote:As of 1919 PD, it was not known what official standing Lars had in the order of precedence of the Kingdom of Torch. He began studies at the New University of Landing that year.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by lyonheart   » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:12 pm

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Hi Weird Harold,

Thanks for making me smile. :D

Although I think they'll need at least a couple of pairs per treecat.

Keep smiling,

L


Weird Harold wrote:
lyonheart wrote:Imagine how much prey, NTM rabbits, they may have to ship and restock?



I can't say about other prey, but they only need two rabbits per planet. :D
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by lyonheart   » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:35 pm

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Hi PeterZ,

"Very interesting,"

I remember some Analog short stories in the 1970's that used different kinds of sociopaths etc in diplomatic situations; including kidnapping and other terrorist, because they best matched the various aliens' mind set, and were very carefully controlled, though the reader didn't find that out until the end of the story.

A wise society would make the most or best use of all its citizen material as possible, and telepathic aliens might understand their less social members far better than human ones, though in what particular way needs further discussion.

I talked with British special forces types in the 1970's in England, who talked about some highly trained operatives who had psychological issues, and were primed to "go off" if and when the war all feared started etc.

Like humans, it seems to me treecats have quite a range of potential roles some of its members could fill, but concentrating on the treecats unique qualities..

Still, its all "very interesting".

L


PeterZ wrote:quote="lyonheart"Hi PeterZ!

I think Swallow Treecat Scouts would be fantastic! 8-)

Although Cripple Mountain Treecat Scouts [CMTS} doesn't quite have the same ring I'm afraid. ;)

But having no natural enemies in the system or planet could lead to an explosive population growth, though textev for 'cats is an average of four approximately every ten years IIRC, but that could still be a very explosive rate within the lifetime of a single treecat.

I've also posted some thoughts on all the things treecats could do to help the two legs, besides psycho analysis etc, detective work, mentoring children and teenagers, teaching, security screening, not just government but teachers, and civilian professionals of all kinds; once such professionals 'cats are plentiful, many contracts might require such sureties.

There are so many ways treecats could more than pay their way, NTM earning 'foreign exchange' to buy those wilderness areas, certainly entertainment transtellars like Disney will pay through the nose to be the first in the local interstellar neighborhood to attract some friendly aliens.

I can't help thinking of all the young memory singers modeling themselves on Golden Voice over the past ten-twelve years, who become the leader of their small group, NTM chief negotiator, and like the mythical hunter/lawyer scouts, run rings around the local two-legs. :)

Definitely very interesting times, if not "fascinating!"

L
lyonheart wrote:Hi Pnakasone,

Is that Indonesian, Malaysian or Thai?


I suspect Thai. Doesn't ring Maylay or Indonesian. If indeed that is a name.

One but of musing I've engaged in was how to employ sociopathic treecats. There are some human sociopaths who are functional in certain settings. I am sure that some of what passes for sociopaths in treecats can find utility in broader human society. I am thinking of those ill treecats that find ......discomfort in hearing too many mind voices. He is fine being in physical proximity to other beings and even communicating with other people, but prefers solitude in his mind. Undoubtedly such beings are rare as hens' teeth.

Such creatures make excellent policemen to for human societies. That or scouts for the military or even assassins/snipers. Can't shoot from distance, but can get in and out from in close.quote
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by lyonheart   » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:47 pm

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Hi PNakasone,

My brother spent almost a year on Okinawa and grew to love the Japanese and Okinawan people, one family just recontacted him to show how well the three generations are doing, while my folks enjoyed Japan and befriending the Japanese people quite a bit during the Korean war, who kept in contact until they died.

Please feel welcome to share more interesting ideas.

All the very best,

L


pnakasone wrote:
lyonheart wrote:Hi Pnakasone,

Is that Indonesian, Malaysian or Thai?


P is the initial of my first name.

Nakasone is Japanese or specifically Okinawain.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by PeterZ   » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:15 am

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lyonheart wrote:Hi PeterZ,

"Very interesting,"

I remember some Analog short stories in the 1970's that used different kinds of sociopaths etc in diplomatic situations; including kidnapping and other terrorist, because they best matched the various aliens' mind set, and were very carefully controlled, though the reader didn't find that out until the end of the story.

A wise society would make the most or best use of all its citizen material as possible, and telepathic aliens might understand their less social members far better than human ones, though in what particular way needs further discussion.

I talked with British special forces types in the 1970's in England, who talked about some highly trained operatives who had psychological issues, and were primed to "go off" if and when the war all feared started etc.

Like humans, it seems to me treecats have quite a range of potential roles some of its members could fill, but concentrating on the treecats unique qualities..

Still, its all "very interesting".

L


I wonder if we will get more along these lines in the next story arc with Raoul? One suspects that mind voices are not of a true different frequency, but encoded differently between treecats and humans. That and the human brain doesn't broadcast nearly as powerfully as treecats'.

Using that assumption, Raoul and Nimitz and Sam's kits may learn to read both types of mind voices. He and his 'cat "siblings" may well be central figures in the next arc. I can see him and his siblings in the navy after the RMN retrofits for 'cat accommodations. Cassandra and Andromeda memory singers born from a mated pair of treecats whose human bonds have focused their mental powers to a remarkably powerful degree. Jason and Achilles in their own ways the epitome of classical Greek adventurism and heroism.

What do these names portend?
Cassandra, wise and prophetic but unpersuasive (one suspects a powerful mental talent with a caustic personality).

Andromeda, beauty (I suspect internal qualities of beauty) envied by those that believe themselves gods (hint MAlign). Not nearly as strong as her sister, but with personal grace and a soothing way about her.

Jason, adventuresome scout of the lot who is fearless and curious to a fault. If anyone can lead treecats into a new society, Jason will lead the way.

Achilles, the greatest hero of the Achaeans and symbol of the glory of the proto Greeks before the Doric dark ages. No matter where treecats go, Achilles and those like him shall remind them all of their heritage.

Assuming that they all have some limited capacity to communicate unaided with any human, they could provide Raoul and Katherine with an interesting set of characters for the next story arc. Perhaps we will see Katherine, Achilles and Cassandra as one set and Raoul, Andromeda and Jason as another. One set beginning to focus on intelligence and the other on a more tactical oriented naval career.

All this suggests to me that RFC may shift his literary analogy from Beowulf to something else. The next arc will either be the great dragon coming at last to kill our hero or he will use a new literary referent. A worried part of me sees the MAlign killing Honor but is itself destroyed in her death throes with the aid of her children.
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