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Sex Slaves Hidden Punishment
Post by cthia   » Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:58 pm

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Does anyone else besides me feel there has been an undiscussed injustice done to Mesan sex slaves? Mesan sex slaves have an increased libido engineered into them. When I first read that I was like, "What?!?" Am I wrong in thinking that this is akin to a constant injection of viagra into the bloodstream? Talk about being in a constant state of sexual frustration! This is its own punishment. Holy crap on a cracker! Am I looking at it wrongly? Has Mesa been able to dial down the sexual frustration, simultaneously turning up the libido?
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THIS WIKI
The C-line was a line of genetic slaves bred by Manpower Incorporated of Mesa.
C-line sex slaves, both women (A-variants) and men (B-variants), were among the company’s most popular breeds, always in demand on the market. Their genotype had been selected and shaped for physical attractiveness and for as much in the way of libidinal energy and submissiveness as the Mesan gengineers could pinpoint in the genetic code.

Developing C-lines were subjected to rigorous training, including forced sex training starting at the age of nine, which was called the "Phenotype developmental process".

However, C-lines proved to be rather intelligent and independent compared to other lines; as a result, a high percentage of them had a tendency to escape captivity once they left the extreme security environment of the breeding grounds on Mesa. (HHA3.3: FtH)

Known C-line Edit
Virginia Usher – C-17a/65-4/5 (HHA3.3: FtH)
Georgia Sakristos (CS1, HH11)
Craig Goodrick's mother (HH10)
Paulo d'Arezzo's parents (SI1)

http://honorverse.wikia.com/wiki/C-line
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Re: Sex Slaves Hidden Punishment
Post by Spacekiwi   » Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:59 pm

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I think it may be part of the design of the genotype to attempt to make the sex slaves more amenable to the slavery. From a Mesans biogineering point of view, if you can make the body and mind at odds over the sex, you might be able to reduce escaping and focus energy away from uprisings and into attempting to control yourself. My point of view as an undergrad anyway. im sure theres a psychologist around here somewehere who could correct me.
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Re: Sex Slaves Hidden Punishment
Post by cthia   » Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:41 pm

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Spacekiwi wrote:I think it may be part of the design of the genotype to attempt to make the sex slaves more amenable to the slavery. From a Mesans biogineering point of view, if you can make the body and mind at odds over the sex, you might be able to reduce escaping and focus energy away from uprisings and into attempting to control yourself. My point of view as an undergrad anyway. im sure theres a psychologist around here somewehere who could correct me.

It sounds like a graduate student I know taking uppers and downers to regulate sleeping and waking hours to cram.

Make the sex slaves minds more at odds with the sex yet increase their libido, simultaneously wanting them to be good at their designation? Sounds like burning the candle at both ends to me.

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Re: Sex Slaves Hidden Punishment
Post by Dca   » Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:29 pm

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cthia wrote:
Spacekiwi wrote:I think it may be part of the design of the genotype to attempt to make the sex slaves more amenable to the slavery. From a Mesans biogineering point of view, if you can make the body and mind at odds over the sex, you might be able to reduce escaping and focus energy away from uprisings and into attempting to control yourself. My point of view as an undergrad anyway. im sure theres a psychologist around here somewehere who could correct me.

It sounds like a graduate student I know taking uppers and downers to regulate sleeping and waking hours to cram.

Make the sex slaves minds more at odds with the sex yet increase their libido, simultaneously wanting them to be good at their designation? Sounds like burning the candle at both ends to me.

But .. But .. We have Ginny as pretty in-depth textev, and I don't see much at odds with her sexuality! And then there was that comment that sex slaves were among the most dangerous to own, because they were creative. Clearly Mesa does not have this variant fully under control. Paulo d'Arezzo might provide an example of what you suggest, but his angst seemed pretty clearly spelled out as being something different. Unless you want to reinterpret it ... ?
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Re: Sex Slaves Hidden Punishment
Post by Bruno Behrends   » Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:39 am

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An interesting topic :D

There is a wide range of libido among 'normal' human beings - from very low to very high.

The 'pleasure models' we have met in the stories seem to cope pretty well - once freed.
So I would imagine them to be near the upper end of the normal scale libido-wise but not really beyond it. And to deal with it the same way any other human deals with it.

Again: Once freed.

That they probably are very good looking might help some.

Now - as long as they are being held captive ... that would be ugh.

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Re: Sex Slaves Hidden Punishment
Post by Whitecold   » Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:45 am

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The question is by how much they manage to increase the libido of the slaves.
I would guess they just have a higher than normal sex drive, and less the 'constant viagra' option.
Also where exactly does the information come from? Manpower sometimes overinflates its capabilities. In the context of accountant slaves it was stated that they there is not much you can do genetically to improve accounting, it is training that really makes the difference, so it might be a sales pitch here too.
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Re: Sex Slaves Hidden Punishment
Post by cthia   » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:24 am

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Whitecold wrote:The question is by how much they manage to increase the libido of the slaves.
I would guess they just have a higher than normal sex drive, and less the 'constant viagra' option.
Also where exactly does the information come from? Manpower sometimes overinflates its capabilities. In the context of accountant slaves it was stated that they there is not much you can do genetically to improve accounting, it is training that really makes the difference, so it might be a sales pitch here too.

That is a consideration, by how much was the libido increased. I can only use my own sex drive as a baseline. And if mine was dialed up even a little, I'd be humping the holes in sides of trees! The wiki says...
The C-line was a line of genetic slaves bred by Manpower Incorporated of Mesa.
C-line sex slaves, both women (A-variants) and men (B-variants), were among the company’s most popular breeds, always in demand on the market. Their genotype had been selected and shaped for physical attractiveness and for as much in the way of libidinal energy and submissiveness as the Mesan gengineers could pinpoint in the genetic code.

Developing C-lines were subjected to rigorous training, including forced sex training starting at the age of nine, which was called the "Phenotype developmental process".

However, C-lines proved to be rather intelligent and independent compared to other lines; as a result, a high percentage of them had a tendency to escape captivity once they left the extreme security environment of the breeding grounds on Mesa. (HHA3.3: FtH)

Known C-line Edit
Virginia Usher – C-17a/65-4/5 (HHA3.3: FtH)
Georgia Sakristos (CS1, HH11)
Craig Goodrick's mother (HH10)
Paulo d'Arezzo's parents (SI1)

Initially my innate male centeredness immediately thought this exacerbated sexual condition would be a worst punishment for men. But a quick brain poot cleared away enough dead grey fecal matter to consider that it may be worse for women. Women become naturally more excited during menstruation, as I understand. During this period it must be a real 'hysterical' moment. (Referring back to hysteria in the Cupid's post aside)

Increased by as much as could be pinpointed in the genetic code, sounds like a large increase lest not much could be pinpointed.

At any rate it seems like a cruel punishment to play on someone, even if they were physically free.

Can you imagine a male sex slave with a normal girlfriend? She'd always be in a state of asking him...

"Is sex all you ever think about?"

"Well no, sometimes I think about more sex."

Seriously, it just seems to be an extra cruel trick to play on a human even if all of the other atrocities were nonexistent.

In my head sex slaves are running around in their own minds, bumping into things, pulling their hair out "I gotta get laid I gotta get laid I gotta get laid." Heck, I do that now!

That is cruel.

And at what age does a female Mesan sex slave become a cougar? Female libido increases with age, and peaks out around thirty. Male libido decreases. Now factor in an increased libido and ... :o

Suddenly rabbits are looking at humans saying, 'look at 'em go!'

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Re: Sex Slaves Hidden Punishment
Post by cthia   » Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:01 am

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Whitecold wrote:The question is by how much they manage to increase the libido of the slaves.
I would guess they just have a higher than normal sex drive, and less the 'constant viagra' option.
Also where exactly does the information come from? Manpower sometimes overinflates its capabilities. In the context of accountant slaves it was stated that they there is not much you can do genetically to improve accounting, it is training that really makes the difference, so it might be a sales pitch here too.


Ummm...less the 'constant viagara' option seems to infer that it can be switched on and off at will. How can you have one without the other? The 'viagara' is natural, ever present.

Know the Terran phrase for men, 'get excited if the wind blows?' Well suddenly you can't go near a fan! One of my favorite Terran songs by The Police, Don't Stand So Close To Me, would be because I can feel the wind from your breath on my neck. And you really don't want to be around me if you breathe on my neck.

If my gf is a benchmark, women with an increased libido would wear a vibrator where Old Earth women in the 40's wore derringers, and a bullet belt with individual energizer bunnies.

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Re: Sex Slaves Hidden Punishment
Post by Whitecold   » Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:19 am

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cthia wrote:Ummm...less the 'constant viagara' option seems to infer that it can be switched on and off at will. How can you have one without the other? The 'viagara' is natural, ever present.

Know the Terran phrase for men, 'get excited if the wind blows?' Well suddenly you can't go near a fan! One of my favorite Terran songs by The Police, Don't Stand So Close To Me, would be because I can feel the wind from your breath on my neck. And you really don't want to be around me if you breathe on my neck.


I don't mean it being switchable at will, but that an increased libido doesn't mean they are perpetually aroused. Also while Manpower certainly has no scruples at driving slaves insane, it would be a bad idea. An insane sex slave is a ticking time bomb, which would be bad for Manpowers profit margin.
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Re: Sex Slaves Hidden Punishment
Post by cthia   » Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:28 am

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Whitecold wrote:
cthia wrote:Ummm...less the 'constant viagara' option seems to infer that it can be switched on and off at will. How can you have one without the other? The 'viagara' is natural, ever present.

Know the Terran phrase for men, 'get excited if the wind blows?' Well suddenly you can't go near a fan! One of my favorite Terran songs by The Police, Don't Stand So Close To Me, would be because I can feel the wind from your breath on my neck. And you really don't want to be around me if you breathe on my neck.


I don't mean it being switchable at will, but that an increased libido doesn't mean they are perpetually aroused. Also while Manpower certainly has no scruples at driving slaves insane, it would be a bad idea. An insane sex slave is a ticking time bomb, which would be bad for Manpowers profit margin.


I see your point. That would be a ticking time bomb. Yea, but you know that the side effects of Terran viagara is a perpetual arousal...for hours (so I've heard).

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