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Re: Light bulb Captured Solly fleet
Post by Brigade XO   » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:11 pm

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Perhaps send several SL SDs to the Aldermani as payment in materials for multiple DDs, CA, BCs for Grayson?

They are notheing better than scrap meal piles of not quite raw materals.

If nothing else, perhaps the Aldermani would take them as payment (and materials sources) for all that equipment the Grayson's need to reestablish their ship construction industry (and supporting manufacturing and infrastructure). At least the IAE has been already building ships that encorporate Manticore tech advances and so would be able to mfg the types of equipment needed to build what Grayson needs.
Manticore seems to be getting all sorts of stuff made at Beowulf. No mention so far of what is being done or what sources are available for Grayson's recovery

I find it hard to believe Elizabeth and much of the government would begrudge Grayson a several SLN SDs worth of metal and related equipment as scrap to fund and provide materials to the people who could provide equipment, machines and all the stuff necessary for the rebuild.
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Re: Light bulb Captured Solly fleet
Post by thinkstoomuch   » Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:47 am

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drothgery wrote:
n7axw wrote:I have a better idea. Let's just drive them out someplace and drop them into the middle of a sun. Take the crews off first, though.

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Finally, a solution that would keep the interstellar pack rats quiet after it was implemented :)


Optimist. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Light bulb Captured Solly fleet
Post by Relax   » Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:50 am

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Raw resources are not a problem in the Honorverse. Reason for the # of ships built in 1st/2nd Havenite war was not raw materials. IF this limitation did not exist over a 20 year span, then I doubt anyone would be excited about receiving raw materials for much of anything other than basement prices.
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Re: Light bulb Captured Solly fleet
Post by n7axw   » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:14 pm

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drothgery wrote:
n7axw wrote:I have a better idea. Let's just drive them out someplace and drop them into the middle of a sun. Take the crews off first, though.

Don

Finally, a solution that would keep the interstellar pack rats quiet after it was implemented :)



The only way this works is to use the interstellar pack rats as crews and then forget to take 'em off!

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Re: Light bulb Captured Solly fleet
Post by MAD-4A   » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:09 am

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I'm quite certain after Governor Barregos hears of 2nd Manticore, that anonymous feelers from the Governor will be heard from regarding the value of those ships & they will become quite valuable.
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Re: Light bulb Captured Solly fleet
Post by thinkstoomuch   » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:54 am

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MAD-4A wrote:I'm quite certain after Governor Barregos hears of 2nd Manticore, that anonymous feelers from the Governor will be heard from regarding the value of those ships & they will become quite valuable.


Why? He currently has "CLs" and ammo ships that in a standard system engagement that would make lunch meat out of them firing 3 stage MDMs. Not to mention the BC(P)s that he is due to get in Oct, IIRC. Or the expected arrival of SD(P)s in the nearish future.

Not mention where he is going to get the trained manpower to crew them? He already has more ships than crews problem. Hence one of the reasons that he gifted the much more effective RHN ships to Torch.

Still not seeing it.

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Re: Light bulb Captured Solly fleet
Post by munroburton   » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:24 am

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MAD-4A wrote:I'm quite certain after Governor Barregos hears of 2nd Manticore, that anonymous feelers from the Governor will be heard from regarding the value of those ships & they will become quite valuable.


He's already stretching the limits of his official navy almost past breaking point(for his deception plan). And the new ships being built for him are superior in every respect and very close to being completed.

Worst case, by buying those ships, Maya would blow its cover and bring the SLN rampaging in to sweep up any tech advantages it can, before enough of Maya's new ships are finished and in service. Best case? They don't get attacked, despite painting a bloody great big bullseye on their backs.
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Re: Light bulb Captured Solly fleet
Post by Theemile   » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:56 am

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MAD-4A wrote:I'm quite certain after Governor Barregos hears of 2nd Manticore, that anonymous feelers from the Governor will be heard from regarding the value of those ships & they will become quite valuable.


Why? Barregos is limited on troops and cannot start real trainging of his own until he presses the button on succession - until then he needs to keep his head down. Don't forget, All Roszak had in Maya were 18 DDs and 3 CLs as of the beginning of ToF. He probably has the same # of men in logistics and admin positions, some of which he may be able to redeploy. The plans to purchase more ships locally has probably got him the crews to field 1-2 X the original OOB in the new ships - but this is all he will be getting!

The ships he getting from Erewhon (in real numbers in 1922) are (for example) CA sized CLs with DD crews and CL sized DDs with FG sized crews - all with CA warhead EDMs. Why would he need more outdated CLs with CL sized crews and classic CL missiles, when the same manpower could be used to man 1-2 CAs with the ability to pound SLN BCs? Let alone taking on the captured CAs and BCs which would distract from the ability to man the new ships of those types just coming off the line?

All Barragos could do with the ex-SLN ships at this time is to put them in reserve, on the off chance in 3-5 years he needs the extra hulls and has the manpower to man them.
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Re: Light bulb Captured Solly fleet
Post by Jonathan_S   » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:47 am

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thinkstoomuch wrote:Why? He currently has "CLs" and ammo ships that in a standard system engagement that would make lunch meat out of them firing 3 stage MDMs. Not to mention the BC(P)s that he is due to get in Oct, IIRC. Or the expected arrival of SD(P)s in the nearish future.
Has he gotten MDM pods yet?
As of the battle of Torch he only had (IIRC) single drive, extended range, missiles (Erewhonese derivatives of the RMN's Mk14 CA-weight ERM)
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Re: Light bulb Captured Solly fleet
Post by MAD-4A   » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:55 am

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Don't even start with that whole "man power" excuse - I see it for Manticore & Grayson, but he has the entire Maya sector to draw from. He has a full recruitment/training section already up and running which can easily be expanded (as the US did in WWII) he has the need for capitol ships, for when the SLN comes raging in with their Scientist class SDs & as for tipping his hand – that’s what 3rd party purchases are for, he has Erewhon purchase them (a few at a time) then purchases them from Erewhon (at a mark-up) threw a cut-out (the ships just “disappear” like thousands of other ships.) Space is a big area to hide a tiny (even an SD is tiny by comparison) ship in – just ask the Mesan Alignment. He doesn’t even have to fully man them immediately, just get his hands on them and supply a skeleton crew (propulsion and control) to take them to an uninhabited system for storage until he has the personnel for each of them.
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