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Re: Back from LA with Honorverse move news
Post by runsforcelery   » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:41 pm

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61Cygni wrote:
Werrf wrote:There is a space between "fantasy nonsense" and "completely accurate in every detail". It's known, at least in some circles, as the Mohs Scale of Science Fiction hardness. I put the Honorverse at a solid 3 or 4 (somewhere between "Physics plus" and "One big lie"). Doctor Who is a solid 1 ("Science in genre only"), and Star Trek just about scrapes a 2.

I have to wonder, though, if the Honorverse's tech is not what you like, why are you reading them?


Because there is much else to like about them, starting with the characters. The magic tech by itself isn't solely going to turn me off, just saw it as a lost oppurtunity. And to give Weber some credit, at least there aren't any Trek-style transporters (what do you call being broken down into sub-atomic particles? Death :D). Also, I love the graphic descriptions of the ship combat in the early books, all those high-powered energy weapons wreaking the same kind of havoc that cannonballs and grapeshot did on the wooden ships of the Age Of Sail, where "splinters" caused most of te injuries and deaths. It's unfortunate that we're probably not going to see that kind of stuff in the movie as a PG-13 rating will be desired. Lots of the usual shaky cam and sparking consoles instead, grrrr...I want R-rated combat! :)



As I've said repeatedly, it's early days yet. But having said that, Evergreen very much wants to maintain the sense of fleet combat at vast distances. We've got a new screenwriter working on a starting over screenplay, and he and I have had time for only a fairly brief conversation at this point, but I strongly expect them to follow the same pattern we were following when we were looking at OBS last year. What was happening then was that they were sending me the script and I was giving them a point-by-point critique of it, to which they were actually listening and incorporating many of the points I was raising into the next iteration of the script. When the weaknesses (from a cinematic perspective) of OBS became sufficiently clear that we shifted to HotQ, we found ourselves with a clean sheet of paper, and I do not yet know precisely what's going to be put down on it for the first draft. Evergreen is very insistent, however, on maintaining the feel, the characters, and the technology of the books. All of us know there are many a slip betwixt cup and lip, but I am entirely satisfied at this point about Evergreen's intentions and the technical capabilities they're bringing to this project.


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Re: Back from LA with Honorverse move news
Post by runsforcelery   » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:43 pm

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Neitz wrote:
runsforcelery wrote:Another point that established fans are going to have to deal with will undoubtedly be the physical appearance of the ships......

Because of this, there’s going to be a significant degree of “reimagining” the ships, although I think I can guarantee that the redesign process won’t step on the established physics of the Honorverse.


Since I first heard about the movie project in October 2011, I have been wondering if they will also do a bit of “reimagining” with RMN uniforms, with production designers saying about the existing designs: "that doesn't really read well on the screen."

Which will mean that TRMN members like myself may someday need to decide to keep our "classic uniform" or change our impression to "movie version uniforms." :?

We'll see!



That's one of the points we're . . . discussing right now. ;)


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Re: Back from LA with Honorverse move news
Post by jthoma8318   » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:21 am

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I guess I'm in the easily amused and suspend belief category, because I just go sit and enjoy the movie without over analyzing them. Not a judgement just how I am. Having said that Battleship was worth going to see just for seeing Rihanna, as I'm sure namelessfly will agree, LOL. I'm totally stoked for the movie, and I'll be happy unless Evergreen just totally screws the pooch.
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Re: Back from LA with Honorverse move news
Post by Bill Woods   » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:08 am

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runsforcelery wrote:As for your point about the invisibility of lasers and grasers, you're absolutely correct. However, I think it's going to be a lot harder to not have any "death race" flashing around the screen if/when Honorverse ships get into energy range of one another or the laser clusters opened fire against incoming missiles. It's not all simply move magic madness, either.
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But because of who and what you are, you understand that lasers will be invisible in vacuum. ... For them to make the connection between the active defenses and the disintegrating missile coming in on Fearless, they'll have to see the connection, and that means, I fear, that we will see lasers and grasers streaking across the screen. For that matter, you may even see ionized "wakes" following ships around at high rates of speed. ...

Visible, STL, energy weapons fire is an acceptable break from reality. One of the smart things Roddenberry did was change from 'laser' to 'phaser' — who can say it doesn't work like that?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... romReality
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XO, what's the budget for the ONI?
Vice Admiral: I don't recall exactly, sir. Several billion quatloos.
Admiral: ... What do you suppose they did with all that money?
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Re: Back from LA with Honorverse move news
Post by wholf359   » Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:00 am

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On casting I feel its important not to "White wash" the cast. Keeping the Queen, Ramirez, Mike Henke in the future, and others as close as possible to how there described in the books. I know changes are going to happen, always do no matter what book you turn into a movie, but a big feel for me in the Honor universe is how all different types of people mix easily is a big part of my enjoyment. Removing that mix would weaken it for me, and make possible later movies weaker if we get to dealing with the Alignment.
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Re: Back from LA with Honorverse move news
Post by Taurus2   » Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:23 am

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wholf359 wrote:On casting I feel its important not to "White wash" the cast. Keeping the Queen, Ramirez, Mike Henke in the future, and others as close as possible to how there described in the books. I know changes are going to happen, always do no matter what book you turn into a movie, but a big feel for me in the Honor universe is how all different types of people mix easily is a big part of my enjoyment. Removing that mix would weaken it for me, and make possible later movies weaker if we get to dealing with the Alignment.


I have to second this post in its entirety. Science fiction in general and film in general are very white- and male-dominated media, and the fact that the Honorverse bucks both these trends is part of what makes it so awesome. In its day, Star Trek TOS was progressive just for having Nichelle Nichols as a bridge officer; for a 21st century film... well, I'll just quote WEB du Havel from Crown of Slaves: "Today's universe assigns [Henke] to command navies, and doesn't even think about it."

On the topic of Mike Henke, perhaps she and Alice Truman could be combined for the films?
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Re: Back from LA with Honorverse move news
Post by clancy688   » Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:56 am

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runsforcelery wrote:It will be in 3-D and it will be a cinematic release, not made-for-TV.

[...]

Ninety minutes is the target for the first screenplay, because they always grow. I'm anticipating that the final movie will actually be in the 2-hour range.


Wow! That's great news. :)

Thank you for this information. (And I certainly hope for some "real" 3D-camera action instead of upconverting - but apparently, Evergreen Films has some connections to James Cameron, therefore... one can hope :D )
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Re: Back from LA with Honorverse move news
Post by Invictus   » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:03 am

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clancy688 wrote:While watching the film then, I was literally weeping. There surely must be a movie which I found worse during my life, but so far I haven't been able to come up with a single example... ;)


Starship Troopers by Paul Verhoeven.

He takes a discussion between a recruit and his drill sergeant about proportionate force in warfare and reduces it to '(THUNK) The enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand!'

That man has sinned.... :evil:

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Re: Back from LA with Honorverse move news
Post by pokermind   » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:19 am

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Hi RFC and you others,

David's points on scale of space important and if nothing else might get the universes' vastness across. Check out this fan art showing the scale of the Honorverse compared to our Milky Way Galaxy, sorry artist is Ukrainian so its labeled in Russian. http://rastrelly.deviantart.com/art/Honorverse-in-galaxy-327138133

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Re: Back from LA with Honorverse move news
Post by Invictus   » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:20 am

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In regards to fleet combat, or long range combat in general, I keep thinking about one scene out of Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda. Just looked it up. It was the battle of Samsarra, and while the captain is talking you can see the display over his shoulder. It goes from a very wide view, with a single icon for the enemy fleet. Then it zooms in very smoothly to show all the units in that fleet. They managed to both display the enemy ships, and that they were light minutes away, in the space of perhaps three seconds, without taking away screen time from the actor.

"When you talk about damage radius, even atomic weapons pale before that of an unfettered idiot in a position of power." Sam Starfall
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