Honerveres vs Trekies

cthia wrote:Picard, "Lock onto the Commodores, Captains and Admirals of those fleets and beam them aboard. Make it so."

"They are aboard Captain."

"Open hailing frequencies ... This is the USS Enterprise. We have your command structure onboard. Kill your engines. Our technology is superior. Let's have a few drinks. Besides, we are not your enemy. We are being tailed by the Borg. Save your missiles, you're going to need them. Oh, without our help. Resistance, is futile. Picard out."

fallsfromtrees wrote:

cthia wrote:
Picard, "Lock onto the Commodores, Captains and Admirals of those fleets and beam them aboard. Make it so."

"They are aboard Captain."

"Open hailing frequencies ... This is the USS Enterprise. We have your command structure onboard. Kill your engines. Our technology is superior. Let's have a few drinks. Besides, we are not your enemy. We are being tailed by the Borg. Save your missiles, you're going to need them. Oh, without our help. Resistance, is futile. Picard out."

And what evidence do we have that you can beam through a wedge?

cthia wrote:Picard, "Lock onto the Commodores, Captains and Admirals of those fleets and beam them aboard. Make it so."

"They are aboard Captain."

"Open hailing frequencies ... This is the USS Enterprise. We have your command structure onboard. Kill your engines. Our technology is superior. Let's have a few drinks. Besides, we are not your enemy. We are being tailed by the Borg. Save your missiles, you're going to need them. Oh, without our help. Resistance, is futile. Picard out."

fallsfromtrees wrote:And what evidence do we have that you can beam through a wedge?

cthia wrote:

Don't you dare tangle with a Trekkie, bucko! I anticipated your response ...

It's the Enterprise. A ship full of Shannons and Sonjas and Harknesses. And a Betazoid, and a Data.

Besides, have you forgotten that transporters only need a small window to beam through?

And if it's one of those occasions that that bothersome Q is aboard, then what chance has the Honorverse? Heck, Q is likely to place the entire Honorverse in a bottle.

Besides, the Treks have been there and done that. They've boldly gone where no Manty has gone before.

GofyTomcat1 wrote:Completely theoretical scenario:

Instead of the alternate reality, the Enterprise is pulled into the Honorverse.

How would Kirk's crew react, and how would Honor keep Nimitz under control when she sees Kirk?

cthia wrote:

GofyTomcat1 wrote:Completely theoretical scenario:

Instead of the alternate reality, the Enterprise is pulled into the Honorverse.

How would Kirk's crew react, and how would Honor keep Nimitz under control when she sees Kirk?

Montgomery Scott would want to have a go at the engines, Kirk would want to drive, Uhura would be communicating with the cats, Sulu would spend his time in a pinnace. Honor would eat herself to death in ten-forward, and Nimitz would put the replicators in a full-time celery producing coma.

Oh my, what a thought. Can you imagine Spock and a treecat bonding. Spock with his mind meld?

GofyTomcat1 wrote: *Snip*

I think the result of an attempted Kirk x Honor relationship would be similar to a Young x Honor one. (lots of pain and an upset 'cat.)

Belial666 wrote:Speed:
Fairly advanced Star Trek ships can move at roughly 1000 times the speed of light under warp drive. Higher speeds are possible but very rare for non-Borg humanoid civilizations. Non-hyperspace speed is limited to less than 0.5 c.
Honorverse ships can reach 3000 times the speed of light in hyper. Higher speeds are possible but very rare. Non-hyperspace speed is limited to 0.8 c.
Adv: Honorverse

Just to point out that Trekkie shuttles can accelerate at 1000+G they may have a slower terminal velocity but they can also turn on a dime even at warp speed somehow.

Firepower:
Typical Star Trek capital ships (i.e. Galaxy and Sovereign class for the Federation) have a dozen or so phaser arrays and can fire 3-4 quantum torpedoes at a time, at ranges up to 50-60 thousand kilometers for both systems. Energy levels per hit are on par with multimegaton warheads, consistent with ships less than half a kilometer in length.
Typical Honorverse capital ships have many dozens of energy mounts, with ranges of up to a million kilometers and can fire dozens to hundreds of missiles at a time at ranges up to millions of kilometers.
Adv: Honorverse


Defenses:
Star Trek ships use shaped energy shields that absorb energy and kinetic attacks. The shield is impenetrable for as long as it lasts - but each hit drops the shield's integrity until the shield collapses. Repeated energy weapon use burns through the shield and impacts at c-fractional velocities are a bad idea.
Star Trek ships only occasionally use point-defense due to energy combat being their primary method of fighting and their hulls are only a few hundred meters long at most, fairly thin and are studded with windows.
Honorverse ships use shaped gravity bands to form wedges and sidewalls. Wedges are impenetrable and very destructive to anything they touch. Sidewalls are impenetrable to physical attacks but sufficiently powerful energy weapons can penetrate them and deal damage beyond.
Honorverse ships use loads and loads of point-defense and massive armor - many are more than a kilometer long.
Adv: Honorverse


Communication:
Star Trek ships and civilizations in general are capable of FTL communication across entire clusters and capable of FTL sensors beyond just gravitic within the same star system.
Honorverse ships have very limited (in comparison) FTL ability and only their gravitic sensors are FTL.
Adv: Star Trek


Stealth:
Star Trek ships are capable of holograms, emission cloaking, visual cloaking and similar techniques.
Honorverse ships are capable of emission cloaking.
Adv: Star Trek


Numbers:
A dozen ships are a powerful force in Star Trek, a big deal. A major star nation can be expected to have only a few dozen to maybe a hundred capital ships in total. Also, they are expected to control dozens of systems but to have significant population centers and industry only in a few of them.
Honorverse armadas are made up of hundreds of ships. A major star nation can be expected to have thousands of ships in total, several hundred of which are capital ships. They are expected to control dozens of systems with populations in the billions, many of which are going to have significant industrial capacity.
Adv: Honorverse

During the battles with the Dominion there were frequently 1000's of ships taking part in the battles.

Shenanigans:
Star Trek has teleportation, time-travel, reality bending, gravity alteration and many other phenomena that occur in a semi-frequent basis but are not (and due to randomness and/or drawbacks and limitations generally can't be) part of their standard tactics and force availability. However, they still offer a way out - Star Trek conflicts are more often resolved via such des ex machina than military capabilities.
Honorverse has the gravity lance. And that's it - there usually isn't any sort of shenanigans weaker forces can happen upon or otherwise produce to win over more powerful opponents.
Adv: Star Trek