do deep fakes in the honorverse leave clues?

Puidwen wrote:Zilwicki is talking to Arianne McBryde. He mentions that even with someone like him, with a good set of imagery, a fake examined by experts will show hundreds of flaws. But there's been all sort of fake imagery floating around the honorverse that was never revealed. for instance even if they didn't suspect it to be faked i suspect the video of honor's hanging was gone over by their intelligence services. Granted he might be exaggerating because he's is trying to convince her yes this video is real since she knows his reputation.

ThinksMarkedly wrote:The Alliance also had no reason to doubt Haven's veracity here: they knew she and her ship had been captured and were aware of the PRH's judgement in absentia against her. The PRH was also careful not to go over the top and portray Honor doing anything atypical of her, which would raise suspicions. The best cover for a lie is to bury it in a pile of truth.

penny wrote:Perhaps ALL deep fakes leave clues if the original video can be examined. But, our own world is currently scrambling against AI fakes. We cannot tell the difference. HV AI should be light years beyond our current AI. So...

penny wrote:Perhaps ALL deep fakes leave clues if the original video can be examined. But, our own world is currently scrambling against AI fakes. We cannot tell the difference. HV AI should be light years beyond our current AI. So...

Daryl wrote:RFC has constructed a coherent universe, with consistent rules.
Somewhat more compliant physics, but others are more restrictive on computer science.
I would submit that in Safehold he has allowed AIs, but in the Honorverse their computer technology has scarcely progressed past ours.

Chapter 46 wrote:"You and me both, Commander," Honor admitted, then drew a deep breath and stepped over to the communications station. She reached down and took the microphone the com officer handed her. The Al-driven "Warden Tresca" Scotty Tremaine and Horace Harkness had built out of the dead Black Leg's file imagery had performed beautifully during the Peeps' approach, but it was time for a more hands-on approach, she thought grimly, then nodded to Phillips.

Chapter 49 wrote:"That," Citizen General Chernock said flatly, "is not Dennis Tresca."
He jabbed a savage finger at the face of the man still speaking from the main com screen. His own bridge chair was well outside the field of Citizen Colonel Therret's audio and visual pickups as "Tresca" spoke to the chief of staff, and Citizen Rear Admiral Yearman looked at the citizen general oddly.
"With all due respect, how can you be so certain, Citizen General?" he asked quietly. Chernock glanced at him, and the Navy officer shrugged. "Whoever he is, he's fielded every question we've asked him so far, Sir," he pointed out. "And I don't see any signs of hesitation or that he's being coerced."
"I don't think he is—assuming that it's actually a 'he' at all!" Chernock growled, and one of Yearman's eyebrows rose, almost as if against his will. Chernock saw it and barked a short, hard laugh that did absolutely nothing to still the fury pulsing in his heart. Dennis Tresca was—or had been—his friend. But if that wasn't Tresca on the com, then he could only assume the warden was a prisoner or dead. And from what he knew of Tresca's treatment of enemies of the People, it was highly unlikely any of the elitist scum on Hades had been interested in allowing him to surrender.
"My own guess is that we're looking at an AI," the citizen general went on after a moment. Yearman cocked his head, his expression painfully neutral, and Chernock laughed again, this time almost naturally. "I know it's better than we could probably produce, although some of the work at Public Information's special effects department might surprise you, Citizen Admiral!" Like the imagery of that pain in the ass Harrington's execution, he didn't add. "But there are quite a few recently captured Manty POWs down there, and their cyberneticists have always been better than ours. One of them, or several working together, could have put together something much more sophisticated than we could."

Daryl wrote:RFC has constructed a coherent universe, with consistent rules.
Somewhat more compliant physics, but others are more restrictive on computer science.
I would submit that in Safehold he has allowed AIs, but in the Honorverse their computer technology has scarcely progressed past ours.

penny wrote:Perhaps ALL deep fakes leave clues if the original video can be examined. But, our own world is currently scrambling against AI fakes. We cannot tell the difference. HV AI should be light years beyond our current AI. So...

penny wrote:You might get me to agree that HV software isn't too far ahead of us, but their computer hardware certainly is. There is no way I can see our computers performing at the speeds of HV computers. Our present computers cannot track as many targets as in the HV and target them.

tlb wrote:

penny wrote:You might get me to agree that HV software isn't too far ahead of us, but their computer hardware certainly is. There is no way I can see our computers performing at the speeds of HV computers. Our present computers cannot track as many targets as in the HV and target them.

Can our software do what Echoes of Honor says that theirs can do? I expect that their hardware and software are far advanced beyond ours; tracking and targeting are functions of both.