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Re: Spoilers - Toll of Honor
Post by tlb   » Thu Apr 18, 2024 11:21 am

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tlb wrote:Anyway, I doubt that Anton had ever published that he was looking for information on either Elaine or Georgia; so I doubt that was why the SLN knew he was interested.

ThinksMarkedly wrote:That was my original thought, but the quote from CoS says Roszak knew he was after something.

Please, point that out since he was on a diplomatic mission and not a fishing expedition. The point I remember (and found) was that Roszak's people knew "We might be able to do it with the Komandorski tidbit, Sir, yes.". However that can be taken to mean that Roszak knew it leads to Georgia and just requires knowledge of the political situation in Manticore.
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Re: Spoilers - Toll of Honor
Post by ThinksMarkedly   » Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:09 pm

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tlb wrote:Please, point that out since he was on a diplomatic mission and not a fishing expedition. The point I remember (and found) was that Roszak's people knew "We might be able to do it with the Komandorski tidbit, Sir, yes.". However that can be taken to mean that Roszak knew it leads to Georgia and just requires knowledge of the political situation in Manticore.


Sorry, poor phrasing. I didn't mean that Zilwicki had gone to Erewhon with the fishing expedition in mind. He was indeed in the diplomatic mission.

I meant that he had let it be known some time prior (possibly years) that he was after this information. So when Roszak needed to get Zilwicki out of the way, he used that tidbit.
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Re: Spoilers - Toll of Honor
Post by tlb   » Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:58 pm

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ThinksMarkedly wrote:I meant that he had let it be known some time prior (possibly years) that he was after this information. So when Roszak needed to get Zilwicki out of the way, he used that tidbit.

tlb wrote:However that can be taken to mean that Roszak knew it leads to Georgia and just requires knowledge of the political situation in Manticore.

Sorry about being repetitive, but there is no evidence for Anton making such a statement. All that is necessary is that Roszak knows the political situation (and of course there is no evidence for that either).

So I think we should let this drop, unless Toll of Honor or a later book makes things clear.
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Re: Spoilers - Toll of Honor
Post by tlb   » Wed May 08, 2024 11:49 pm

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Robert_A_Woodward wrote:On a completely different item in _Toll of Honor_, there is a scene where Pavel Young and Georgia are discussing her being outed to the Audubon Ballroom (in _Field of Dishonor_, only her previous identity as Elaine Komandorski was mentioned). I view this to be incompatible to chapter 50 of _War of Honor_ where Anton Zilwicki and Catherine Montaigne explained to her why she should accept their "generous" offer.

markusschaber wrote:Dimitri Young knew her secret. It's been in the files. We don't know how and where he acquired that knowledge.

Anton and Catherine don't know whether or how much of her secret is known to the Youngs.

I don't see where exactly that is incompatible.

Robert_A_Woodward wrote:Dimitri knew about Elaine. But, I find it rather difficult to see how Dimitri Young could have back tracked Elaine to the Maya sector. I also find it difficult to reconcile Georgia's shock when Anton revealed that part of her back history (if Dimitri had done it, then it wouldn't be such a surprise for Anton to repeat).

Having now read Toll of Honor; I understand that Pavel is threatening Georgia with revealing the secrets in the files (including to the Audubon Ballroom), if she does not obey him. She falsely believed that Dimitri had erased the information when she proved to be so useful. However after Pavel's death, she does delete all of her information from the database. There is nothing incompatible with being shocked that someone else has dug up that dirt after feeling safe for so long.

We may never know how Dimitri found about the origins of Elaine Komandorski.
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