in In Fire Forged - Ruthless

I am reading though the series in chronological order with all the audible i can get and https://honorverse.fandom.com/wiki/Honorverse_novels lists Ruthless as taking place before On Basilisk station 1894 PD but Judith references the Grayson Treaty which doesn'st take place till the honor of the queen is the list order wrong or am I mistaken and Grayson treaty happened prior to Admiral Raoul Courvosier and Honors mission to Grayson?

Thanks,
Jamie

JamieMacPherson wrote:I am reading though the series in chronological order with all the audible i can get and https://honorverse.fandom.com/wiki/Honorverse_novels lists Ruthless as taking place before On Basilisk station 1894 PD but Judith references the Grayson Treaty which doesn'st take place till the honor of the queen is the list order wrong or am I mistaken and Grayson treaty happened prior to Admiral Raoul Courvosier and Honors mission to Grayson?

She must be referring to some other treaty. There may be two treaties with similar names.

Though 1894 PD would make Ruth nearly 10 years older than Berry, which makes one passing for the other during Crown of Slaves doubtful. Though it's still possible, with Ruth having received third generation prolong at a young age (pre-adolescence), while Berry only got them after she was rescued after the Manpower Incident, when she was already 13 or 14. Plus, they both got cosmetic alterations to make them look similar.

Either way, there's no way Ruthless could have happened after HotQ, because then Ruth would only be 16 or 17 at the time of CS1 and it's doubtful Queen Elizabeth would send Ruth to represent the Kingdom to Hieronymus Stein's funeral if she were that young.

There are some issues with the timeline for those stories. They are great stories, but they don’t fit the timeline very well. Ask yourself why the minor detail of Ruth didn’t get mentioned by anyone in HotQ. So don’t lift the curtain very high…

kzt wrote:There are some issues with the timeline for those stories. They are great stories, but they don’t fit the timeline very well. Ask yourself why the minor detail of Ruth didn’t get mentioned by anyone in HotQ. So don’t lift the curtain very high…

One would have thought the recent incident with the Queen's brother would have been part of the background brief about the Masada/Grayson relationship. Perhaps it was "off-camera". (In the real world such details hadn't been thought of yet - such are the perils of writing a series out of order, and having 3rd parties writing random stories in the universe.)

ThinksMarkedly wrote:

JamieMacPherson wrote:I am reading though the series in chronological order with all the audible i can get and https://honorverse.fandom.com/wiki/Honorverse_novels lists Ruthless as taking place before On Basilisk station 1894 PD but Judith references the Grayson Treaty which doesn'st take place till the honor of the queen is the list order wrong or am I mistaken and Grayson treaty happened prior to Admiral Raoul Courvosier and Honors mission to Grayson?

She must be referring to some other treaty. There may be two treaties with similar names.

Though 1894 PD would make Ruth nearly 10 years older than Berry, which makes one passing for the other during Crown of Slaves doubtful. Though it's still possible, with Ruth having received third generation prolong at a young age (pre-adolescence), while Berry only got them after she was rescued after the Manpower Incident, when she was already 13 or 14. Plus, they both got cosmetic alterations to make them look similar.

Either way, there's no way Ruthless could have happened after HotQ, because then Ruth would only be 16 or 17 at the time of CS1 and it's doubtful Queen Elizabeth would send Ruth to represent the Kingdom to Hieronymus Stein's funeral if she were that young.

Ruths age in COS is stated as 23. Barry's is 17. But was 13 in FtH which took place in 1914PD.

The timeline around the Winton's tend to be mushy as hell

Well I see your problem...

You think wiki is a source. It is not.
It is a source of angst. Half is made of hot air.

http://www.thefifthimperium.com and collected words of DW is a source. His books are a source. EDIT: website works just fine

Ruthless by date due to Berry/Ruth's ages has to have happened ~congruently roughly speaking with On Basilisk Station.

Relax wrote:Well I see your problem...

You think wiki is a source. It is not.
It is a source of angst. Half is made of hot air.

http://www.thefifthimperium.com and collected words of DW is a source. His books are a source. EDIT: website works just fine

Ruthless by date due to Berry/Ruth's ages has to have happened ~congruently roughly speaking with On Basilisk Station.

Yeah, reference the Wiki, but never trust it. lots of stuff has appeared in the wiki that was invented out of thin air, and there is no way to tell (from a glance) which is true or not.