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Re: A copper-plated moral decision for the 'Cats . . . | |
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by cthia » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:58 pm | |
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I wouldn't be surprised if, at least Honor and Nimitz, have discussed exactly what Nimitz should do under the circumstances.
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Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense |
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Re: A copper-plated moral decision for the 'Cats . . . | |
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by cthia » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:01 pm | |
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Indeed, most of which is my point. I was simply following one of my thoughts upstream down the rabbit hole, that Beth can take care of herself if need be. I wouldn't be surprised if Beth's mess dress sword isn't just an accessory. I also wouldn't be surprised if she's accomplished on the shooting range. I certainly won't assume her exact genetic concoction is her only secret. After all, she's a Queen who wears pants. . . always ready to play the role of King and fight on the chessboard. If not, and you're facing an unhampered Harrington under compulsion and she manages to put her hands on a pulser, "Game over man. Game over!" The MA wins that "possession" before she can be captured, disabled, or exorcised. Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense |
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Re: A copper-plated moral decision for the 'Cats . . . | |
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by Galactic Sapper » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:45 pm | |
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Of course I meant general arm movements when I said "gross muscle movement". The nerve commands in the remnant of her natural arm are the same that they were before it was amputated, and the arm was programmed to learn what those impulses meant through use - the arm conformed to her commands, not her learning which commands the arm would take. So if the nanites took over her nerves at shoulder level (or higher, most likely it's all spinal level or even motor cortex level), the arm would move perfectly naturally regardless of whether it was her real arm or her artificial arm. The nerves send the signals and the arm responds because to it those nerve signals are completely valid. They could theoretically take over even the pulser in her arm, since the controls for it are based in the nerve commands to perform specific unusual hand movements. In practice, though, they should have no way of knowing exactly which movements those commands are encoded as. For example, in WoH we're told the command to touch the tip of her index finger to the tip of her little finger causes the "skin" flap covering the magazine well to open, then clenching her fist afterward ejected the magazine. The nanites could be programmed to replicate those commands if the programmers ever got access to a list of what those commands were (and recorded the performance of those moves flawlessly). |
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Re: A copper-plated moral decision for the 'Cats . . . | |
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by Loren Pechtel » Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:19 am | |
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None. We saw that with Mears--it was simple programmed moves, not using his abilities. |
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Re: A copper-plated moral decision for the 'Cats . . . | |
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by Loren Pechtel » Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:23 am | |
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I disagree--everybody's muscle control is unique. Your body learns how it is wired and how to control your body (we saw Honor having to relearn this with her artificial arm.) If it's possible to use someone else's muscle memory the control must be working at a high enough level that the body's own knowledge of how to control itself can be used. Thus Honor's arm is usable. Her pulsar is not, however, as that is unique to her. Only someone with an identical arm could provide the muscle memory to fire it. |
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by Loren Pechtel » Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:28 am | |
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Once again, I must disagree--the nanites are not mapping the existing system. From what we saw with Honor's arm replacement the ability to accurately map neural control does not exist. Also, the nanites can act in seconds. The assassination on Torch--they did it in two stages--one person infected another who actually did the deed. |
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Re: A copper-plated moral decision for the 'Cats . . . | |
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by cthia » Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:31 am | |
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I certainly agree. In fact I'm counting on it, or a simple chop to the throat while Honor is chatting Beth up will ensure the success of the MA's objective much better. Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense |
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by cthia » Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:33 am | |
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Is that, seconds after infection? Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense |
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Re: A copper-plated moral decision for the 'Cats . . . | |
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by Brigade XO » Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:20 am | |
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The assassin on Torch was just the one person and he was a variation on what was done to Mears. A set of nanites was tailored to him and somebody switched out his sample case with one containing the binary toxin.....and he had no idea what he was actualy doing.
Exactly how complicated are these nanites that they can store all this amount of data (muscle memory, targeting criteria, self-destruct parameters- well, kill the host by causing x). They also have to "remember" to dissolve in the host's bloodstream and body once they kill the host or the host dies. How do you prevent them from killing the host if they are either given an injection for medical reasons or have a medical blood sample take? Dam complicated and sophisticated little buggers. |
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Re: A copper-plated moral decision for the 'Cats . . . | |
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by Galactic Sapper » Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:34 am | |
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Nano tech is always handwavium in any universe it appears in. Willing suspension of disbelief is the only way any of it works. |
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