Post-Yawata Strike Survivors in Grayson

tlb wrote:All that may be true, but what the Malign really needs to do is to put some very long hard thought into what they can repair about the Detweiler Plan, now that it is in shreds.

They engineered the war between the Solarian League and the Haven Quadrant and it now seems over with both sides much stronger than the Renaissance Factor that was intended to sweep up the pieces, Their agents of influence in the League are being neutralized and the secret of their existence is out.

There is still Darius and the Lenny Dets; but with the retreat to their secret stronghold, they have lost most of their web of corrupt influence through the Manpower pleasure centers and the ties to the interstellar corporations.

They can still come out of their stronghold and spread destruction, but to what effect? Without a roadmap to a desired future, they are lost. If and when a detection system is developed for the spider drive, then they will lose.

cthia wrote:But, is it really in shreds? Perhaps the part in shreds is no longer needed. The Alignment should be nearing its END GAME right about now. Especially since the author hinted that the Lennys are complete. Yes, their agents are being rolled up wholesale (though we really don't have a clue about the full extent of that), but that part of the plan has served its purpose. It would be nice to retain agents, yes, and they still might have some in key areas. However, the mighty gorilla has been defeated. What's the MA to do, wait for the gorilla to go into the weight room and put on some real muscle? Neither you nor I believe the MA are going to give the League or the GA the time they need to get back on balance.

It would be nice to know whether the MA caught wind of the GA's efforts to detect the Spider drive. The MA should know the GA are trying to detect the Spiders, any navy would. But I'm wondering if they have gotten wind of specifics, jump started by Simoes.

I think the only real problem is that the Universe knows about them. But they had to know that would happen sooner or later. The Universe can't do anything about it if it doesn't know where to find them.

tlb wrote:

tlb wrote:All that may be true, but what the Malign really needs to do is to put some very long hard thought into what they can repair about the Detweiler Plan, now that it is in shreds.

They engineered the war between the Solarian League and the Haven Quadrant and it now seems over with both sides much stronger than the Renaissance Factor that was intended to sweep up the pieces, Their agents of influence in the League are being neutralized and the secret of their existence is out.

There is still Darius and the Lenny Dets; but with the retreat to their secret stronghold, they have lost most of their web of corrupt influence through the Manpower pleasure centers and the ties to the interstellar corporations.

They can still come out of their stronghold and spread destruction, but to what effect? Without a roadmap to a desired future, they are lost. If and when a detection system is developed for the spider drive, then they will lose.

cthia wrote:But, is it really in shreds? Perhaps the part in shreds is no longer needed. The Alignment should be nearing its END GAME right about now. Especially since the author hinted that the Lennys are complete. Yes, their agents are being rolled up wholesale (though we really don't have a clue about the full extent of that), but that part of the plan has served its purpose. It would be nice to retain agents, yes, and they still might have some in key areas. However, the mighty gorilla has been defeated. What's the MA to do, wait for the gorilla to go into the weight room and put on some real muscle? Neither you nor I believe the MA are going to give the League or the GA the time they need to get back on balance.

It would be nice to know whether the MA caught wind of the GA's efforts to detect the Spider drive. The MA should know the GA are trying to detect the Spiders, any navy would. But I'm wondering if they have gotten wind of specifics, jump started by Simoes.

I think the only real problem is that the Universe knows about them. But they had to know that would happen sooner or later. The Universe can't do anything about it if it doesn't know where to find them.

Yes, it is in shreds. The whole purpose of the plan was to put the Renaissance Factor into position to become the largest collection of people in inhabited space. The League was supposed to have disintegrated and the opponent too weak to absorb the pieces. Neither of those things happened. If you are calling the League the gorilla, then it has been defeated; but it has not been broken. The League, stripped of the Verge, is still many times bigger than the leaders of the planned succession.

So now the Lenny Dets might sally forth, but that was not the intended endgame. Those ships were to assist in the takeover, not to be the only method of Malign action. To stop the plan the universe does not need to know where to find Darius; if they do not fall into the arms of the Renaissance Factor, then the plan has failed. Once Darius is found the Mesan Alignment is done.

kzt wrote:Pulling the environmental gear might well require disassembling the entire ship. Not just gutting it to get the reactors. And I’m not at all sure the build yards would even have the right gear to remove the reactors. I’m sure they could improvise something, but there is probably a reason why they don’t use 2 meter grasers to do that in the repair facilities. Like it killing anyone around by the primary and secondary radiation, and the huge amount of shock damage.

tlb wrote:Didn't they go through the armor to fix Nike's reactor problem in The Short Victorious War?

tlb wrote:Didn't they go through the armor to fix Nike's reactor problem in The Short Victorious War?

kzt wrote: That was an actual repair facility, not an improvised demolition site. They have all the right tools.

tlb wrote:Were all the repair facilities destroyed in the Yawata Strike? I thought they were dispersed to major bases.

tlb wrote:Were all the repair facilities destroyed in the Yawata Strike? I thought they were dispersed to major bases.

kzt wrote:That was at Gendelsbane. Which had been blowed up some years earlier.

tlb wrote:

tlb wrote:Were all the repair facilities destroyed in the Yawata Strike? I thought they were dispersed to major bases.

kzt wrote:That was at Gendelsbane. Which had been blowed up some years earlier.

In SVW Nike was repaired at Hancock Station. Gendelsbane was much more, a ship construction site that could handle the largest RMN designs.

Theemile wrote:The repair bases at Hancock, San Martin, Basilisk, and Sidemore survive are are in use, as are the fleet repair ships. However, they are innundated with the basic repair and maintenance of the RMN and GSN fleets given the removal of the the 4 main repair facilities at Manticore and Blackbird.

Remember, the conversation in SVW was whether it would be more expedient to send the Nike back to Manticore where the SUPERIOR facilities could repair the ship quicker, or make the repair at Hancock. Manticore's facilities were used more for heavy updates and scheduled maintenance cycles (Like Carrier SLEP), and the repair yards were used for the lower level stuff.

The difference is probably Manticore/Grayson yards being similar to a car manufacturer's Dealership's repair shop, while the repair yard are closer to your neighborhood muffler shop. The neighborhood repair shop can probably fix it, but thy might not have the latest parts/tools/knowledge to do the job, and it will take longer to complete. (While a repair ship is more like the quick-change oil shop down the street - it will change the fluids and slap come tape/sealant on the holes, so you can limp back to the repair yards.