Why no Detweiler regular kids?

ldwechsler wrote:Reading Uncompromising Honor it is clear that the seven Det kids were clones of their dad.(Interestingly, right now clones are just about all female).

But it also says that Albrecht and Evalina were carefully genetically matched. What would the purpose be for that if the kids were all clones?

I wonder if there are not other kids, ones with genes from mama out there.

They would be an interesting counterpoint to the clones.

Any ideas?

Albrecht and Evalina were "matched" genetically partly to be sure each of them had the right mix of abilities to parent the kids properly. They have produced other children in addition to the boys, however, but while those other children are highly prized by the MA, they were not raised by their genetic parents. The boys were being brought up for a very specific role in the plan, and it was decided early on that all of the boys would be told what was happening very early on and groomed for their eventual positions from the beginning. That implied a very . . . unusual childhood, and Albecht and Evalina opted not to subject their "other children" to the same strains and pressures. The boys all have children of their own, and they did not produce another Albrecht clone for their children's generations. Or, at least, they have not done so yet.

runsforcelery wrote:

ldwechsler wrote:Reading Uncompromising Honor it is clear that the seven Det kids were clones of their dad.(Interestingly, right now clones are just about all female).

But it also says that Albrecht and Evalina were carefully genetically matched. What would the purpose be for that if the kids were all clones?

I wonder if there are not other kids, ones with genes from mama out there.

They would be an interesting counterpoint to the clones.

Any ideas?

Albrecht and Evalina were "matched" genetically partly to be sure each of them had the right mix of abilities to parent the kids properly. They have produced other children in addition to the boys, however, but while those other children are highly prized by the MA, they were not raised by their genetic parents. The boys were being brought up for a very specific role in the plan, and it was decided early on that all of the boys would be told what was happening very early on and groomed for their eventual positions from the beginning. That implied a very . . . unusual childhood, and Albecht and Evalina opted not to subject their "other children" to the same strains and pressures. The boys all have children of their own, and they did not produce another Albrecht clone for their children's generations. Or, at least, they have not done so yet.

Seems my original thinking was correct, as far as this specific thread is concerned...

cthia wrote:At times I thought the "compatibility" extended into the emotional and intellectual arena. Thus the fact they were genetically compatible meant that they thought alike.

It simply seems intuitive that genetics may affect compatibility. Certainly the MA's flavor of over the top genetics. By the same token, certain personalities springing from certain modifications may strangle each other. Seems intuitive, though I could easily have been wrong on this accord. As wrong as I am regarding the nonexistence of other kids. Are the kids aware of each other?

I wouldn't be surprised if Mother nature, who frequently fools around with Murphy, would have it that one of the "regular" kids will be more brilliant. They would still be Alphas.

I wish this info would have been available during the Detweiler & Sons thread. Oh my! The psychological ramifications broached in that thread alone is mindboggling!

Remember our talk about the MA's downfall possibly coming from the friction generated amongst egos in this direly dysfunctional family coming from within the dysfunctional offspring?

Freud is spinning is his grave having missed this family!

ldwechsler wrote:Reading Uncompromising Honor it is clear that the seven Det kids were clones of their dad.(Interestingly, right now clones are just about all female).

But it also says that Albrecht and Evalina were carefully genetically matched. What would the purpose be for that if the kids were all clones?

I wonder if there are not other kids, ones with genes from mama out there.

They would be an interesting counterpoint to the clones.

Any ideas?

Albrecht and Evelina were paired genetically for more than one reason.

The folks managing the Detweiler Plan wanted to be sure that genetically, at least, they should have the necessary compatible abilities and talents to raise the boys "properly." In addition, however, both Albrecht and Evelina were highly valued for their own genotypes.

They do have genetic children; they simply didn't raise them "at home." That, frankly, was a decision made in the children's best interests.

"The boys" were never going to have a normal upbringing. They were raised from the beginning to understand who they were, what the Detweiler Plan was, and what their role in it would probably be, and that meant their childhoods contained a lot of stresses that other childhoods wouldn't. In addition, they were raised by parents who officially did not exist, which created additional problems in the form of isolation from the world in general until they were old enough to enter under "cover identities." That means they didn't really have a "childhood" in the normal sense, and Albrecht and Evelina refused to subject kids to that kind of early childhood when they didn't have to. That doesn't mean they didn't love the boys and that the boys didn't love them, but it does mean that there is an entire Albrecht & Evelina genetic strand buried in the "legitimate" Alignment on Mesa. Whether or not we ever see those people doing anything is another question, of course.

As for the boys, none of them have children who are clones of themselves and/or Albrecht. Or, at least, not yet. Of course, each of them is good for at least another two or three centuries, so from their perspective, there's no big rush.

Though Green Pines(?) probably put a big scare into one of them.

I'd expect that he'd have another child by now.

Thank you, RFC.

ldwechsler wrote:Reading Uncompromising Honor it is clear that the seven Det kids were clones of their dad.(Interestingly, right now clones are just about all female).

But it also says that Albrecht and Evalina were carefully genetically matched. What would the purpose be for that if the kids were all clones?

I wonder if there are not other kids, ones with genes from mama out there.

They would be an interesting counterpoint to the clones.

Any ideas?

Okay, so I am going to try one more time. My server and my email connection have been wonky all day, and I have tried three times to post a response to this burning question, only to find that my post wasn't there anymore when I got done.

On the Albrecht and Evelina question.

They were matched very carefully genetically for two reasons. One, although it was a bit secondary, was to make sure that they had the right assortment of inherent skills and abilities to raise the decisive generation of Detweilers. The other because their combined genotypes would produce a genetically superior child with the randomization element that didn't happen in carefully genegineered offspring.

In fact, Albrecht and Evelina have dozens of genetic children; they simply didn't raise any of them themselves. And the reason that they didn't was that they knew that the boys' upbringing was not going to be a normal one. From the cradle, the boys were groomed to be Albrecht's lieutenants in the final phase of the Detweiler Plan. They were raised by parents who did not exist in the middle of a nature reserve that had no human habitations, and until they were old enough for their discretion to be trusted, they were isolated from anyone who wasn't part of the innermost center of the onion. They were also raised by parents who love them very much and who wished that they didn't have to be reared under those constraints. But they did, and Albrecht and Evelina refused to subject any of their other children to the same stresses and the same circumscribed childhood. Which means that there are a whole bunch of Detweilers, none of whom have any idea that they are Detweilers, living with families in the benign Mesan Alignment on Mesa because they were placed with their adoptive families by the Genetics Board. For that matter, even the Genetics Board doesn't have a clue who their parents really were, because their entire placement was very carefully shepherded by plants from the inner onion on the Board. And, of course, the people who actually engineered the placements were among those "killed by terrorists" during Operation Houdini.

runsforcelery wrote:

ldwechsler wrote:Reading Uncompromising Honor it is clear that the seven Det kids were clones of their dad.(Interestingly, right now clones are just about all female).

But it also says that Albrecht and Evalina were carefully genetically matched. What would the purpose be for that if the kids were all clones?

I wonder if there are not other kids, ones with genes from mama out there.

They would be an interesting counterpoint to the clones.

Any ideas?

Okay, so I am going to try one more time. My server and my email connection have been wonky all day, and I have tried three times to post a response to this burning question, only to find that my post wasn't there anymore when I got done.

On the Albrecht and Evelina question.

They were matched very carefully genetically for two reasons. One, although it was a bit secondary, was to make sure that they had the right assortment of inherent skills and abilities to raise the decisive generation of Detweilers. The other because their combined genotypes would produce a genetically superior child with the randomization element that didn't happen in carefully genegineered offspring.

In fact, Albrecht and Evelina have dozens of genetic children; they simply didn't raise any of them themselves. And the reason that they didn't was that they knew that the boys' upbringing was not going to be a normal one. From the cradle, the boys were groomed to be Albrecht's lieutenants in the final phase of the Detweiler Plan. They were raised by parents who did not exist in the middle of a nature reserve that had no human habitations, and until they were old enough for their discretion to be trusted, they were isolated from anyone who wasn't part of the innermost center of the onion. They were also raised by parents who love them very much and who wished that they didn't have to be reared under those constraints. But they did, and Albrecht and Evelina refused to subject any of their other children to the same stresses and the same circumscribed childhood. Which means that there are a whole bunch of Detweilers, none of whom have any idea that they are Detweilers, living with families in the benign Mesan Alignment on Mesa because they were placed with their adoptive families by the Genetics Board. For that matter, even the Genetics Board doesn't have a clue who their parents really were, because their entire placement was very carefully shepherded by plants from the inner onion on the Board. And, of course, the people who actually engineered the placements were among those "killed by terrorists" during Operation Houdini.

My God! The others did go through. Told you the server was being wonky!

living with families in the benign Mesan Alignment on Mesa

Perhap they were living with families on Mesa.

They'd either be houdini'd or radioactive dust by now.

Annachie wrote:

living with families in the benign Mesan Alignment on Mesa

Perhap they were living with families on Mesa.

They'd either be houdini'd or radioactive dust by now.

Why? They don't know who their biological parents were, and neither do their adoptive parents. There is nothing at all to tie them to the onion core.

runsforcelery wrote:living with families in the benign Mesan Alignment on Mesa

Annachie wrote:
Perhap they were living with families on Mesa.

They'd either be houdini'd or radioactive dust by now.

runsforcelery wrote:
Why? They don't know who their biological parents were, and neither do their adoptive parents. There is nothing at all to tie them to the onion core.

I think there's some confusion about what the "benign" Mesan Aiignment is. (And I've never heard the term "benign" used for the Mesan Alignment before.)

As far as I can tell, the outer husk is a "secret society" of a million or so members who are following Leonard Detweiller's original vision of genetic uplift, and who regard genetic slavery as a major perversion of that vision. Most of them have no clue about the inner core of the Onion or what it's doing. They do, however, enjoy the benefits of the genetic uplift program, which isn't shared with the rest of Mesa. This is where the Mesan Genetic Consultancy comes in.

That inner core evaluates children to see if they're suitable candidates for roles farther inside the Onion. Most of their families are blissfully unaware of this. The "secret society" thing means that everyone knows how to keep their mouth firmly shut - and they do have the genetic uplift thing to keep quiet about.

They're not the ones that were being removed during Operation Houdini, and for the most part were not touched by it.

At least, that's my story, and I'm sticking with it until told otherwise by RFC.