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Re: Missile Counter Missile
Post by runsforcelery   » Thu May 22, 2014 8:25 am

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J6P wrote:Well. RFC already said "never" to CM pods.

I believe he has already said "NO" to DDM CM's as well. Otherwise, this would be excellent. One low drive, one sprint. Shortened capacitor time to keep the missile less massive and smaller. One could have say, a "half power" 65,000g with a run time of 110s or so to get the range with 20s sprint. OR shut down sooner for a longer sprint endurance. Assumes capacitor birds of course. Fusion cannot be turned on off. Besides I seriously doubt micro fusion can scale down further than it already is in the MK-16. Who knows maybe it can.

Yet he has Honor wanting roughly ~8Mkm CM interception basket. LAC's can never achieve this as it takes them an eternity to get out this far ahead or to the side. Add in that MDM's can then simply fly around the LAC's and now the defender is absent his LAC's being able to fire as well. Or worse yet, the missiles come in from behind or the side.

I was essentially ruminating, mixing several ideas around. Without a huge amount of detail, honestly all these extended CM ideas are pretty much pokes in the dark.

We have no idea regarding anything for masses of DDM drive trains for instance. We have no idea how much tonnage in MK-16 is laser warhead and how much is DDM and how much is power budget. We also have no idea how well these tonnages we have no idea about, scale. Many things in engineering land simply do not scale well. Others are perfectly linear. Some are vastly more efficient the smaller they get. We simply have no idea.

Ok, maybe MaxxQ has a better idea :D , but I doubt, RFC is going to nail himself down tighter than he already has :twisted: especially regarding his missile tech.

Anywhoo, just something to pass the time and ruminate about. Actually NO! It is the end of the WORLD!!!



All I'll say is that while I find the discussion interesting, I've already decided how this particular problem is/is not going to be dealt with in the Honorverse. I believe the only person with whom I have discussed the nuts and bolts at this time is Tom Pope at BuNine . . . and he ain't a-gonna tell you how we're doing it either. :twisted:


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Re: Missile Counter Missile
Post by Duckk   » Thu May 22, 2014 8:37 am

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Plus everyone who was present at Honorcon 2012. :geek: :mrgreen:
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Re: Missile Counter Missile
Post by Rook   » Thu May 22, 2014 9:59 am

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Duckk wrote:Plus everyone who was present at Honorcon 2012. :geek: :mrgreen:



Any recordings of one of those conversations?
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Re: Missile Counter Missile
Post by Duckk   » Thu May 22, 2014 10:03 am

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Only for the BuNine.
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Re: Missile Counter Missile
Post by MaxxQ   » Thu May 22, 2014 10:13 am

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Duckk wrote:Only for the BuNine.


And even then, not *all* of BuNine. :mrgreen:

Remember folks... HonorCon 2013 was the first *public* HonorCon. Anything before last year was strictly between David Weber and BuNine.
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Re: Missile Counter Missile
Post by lyonheart   » Thu May 22, 2014 11:26 am

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Hi MaxxQ,

Wasn't there a dragon named Skippy at the bar years ago?

I wouldn't want to get on his bad side by nicknaming someone else after him. ;)

Perhaps another nickname is in order?

I'm sure you can come up with a great one. :D

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Edit: I see skippy posted.

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Re: Missile Counter Missile
Post by Belial666   » Thu May 22, 2014 12:00 pm

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1) Sooner or later, Apollo will be miniaturized enough for Mark 16s.

2) A CM canister can't be much larger than an attack missile's main body (other than drive and power plant) on account of it being fireable from the same tubes as the missile in question.




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Re: Missile Counter Missile
Post by crewdude48   » Thu May 22, 2014 12:27 pm

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Belial666 wrote:1) Sooner or later, Apollo will be miniaturized enough for Mark 16s.

2) A CM canister can't be much larger than an attack missile's main body (other than drive and power plant) on account of it being fireable from the same tubes as the missile in question.




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Re: Missile Counter Missile
Post by MaxxQ   » Thu May 22, 2014 12:52 pm

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Belial666 wrote:1) Sooner or later, Apollo will be miniaturized enough for Mark 16s.

2) A CM canister can't be much larger than an attack missile's main body (other than drive and power plant) on account of it being fireable from the same tubes as the missile in question.




Do you see what I see? :mrgreen:


If you're thinking about creating a CM carrier/cannister out of something the size of a Mk16 DDM, forget it. You can't get more than one CM inside a DDM - they're just too small in diameter. Minimum size for carrying multiple CMs is Mk23.

Or are you suggesting something along the lines of using an Apollo-capable Mk16 as a booster for a single CM? Seems a little wasteful to me, for only a single CM. Better off going with the Mk23 version I proposed upthread.
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Re: Missile Counter Missile
Post by Starsaber   » Thu May 22, 2014 1:10 pm

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A real missile is the ultimate counter-missile. It destroys the enemy ship so it can't shoot any more missiles at you. ;)
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