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cthia
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Duckk says: Spoilers. Highlight to reveal.
Come on. You know it's coming, all ye naysayers of treason! And complicity by conduct unbecoming. Oh my! I can't believe, I just can't accept, it just can't be true, just 'taint so that SL officers would hold a seceding government to a charge of treason. Not with all of the strife I was given in this thread that the Mandarins and the League's officers - the ones that mattered in the war - would charge Beowulf with treason, and complicit in all areas as treason would ensure. This surely must be a misprint by storyline. I have, and never will have, no problem with the human element of. . .humans. It was ridiculous! Even assuming someone — anyone! — could accurately target anything at almost three and a half light-minutes, sixty million kilometers was twice any range at which even the Manties had ever attempted an engagement without one hell of a lot of closing velocity. Assuming those incoming missiles were somehow able to maintain acceleration all the way in, it would still take them almost nine minutes to reach his ships. But they couldn’t. No missile impeller node ever built could sustain that kind of accel that long, and unlike the multistage Cataphract, no Manty missile had ever demonstrated the ability to incorporate a pure ballistic phase into its attack profile. So was this some sort of insane bluff? Were the murderous bastards trying to divert him from his core mission to teach the Hypatians and the rest of the galaxy the price of treason? I simply won't say. . . TOLD U SO TOLD U SO TOLD U SO! I simply won't say it. I just can't believe that it isn't, that it wasn't, obvious. Again, I wasn't speaking on cthia's behalf, but on behalf of the human element represented by the Mandarins and the officers in their charge. Many of whom are as intransigent in committing grievances against the Deneb Accords as they who are responsible for their mission. Because the spirit of the Deneb Accords was not meant to protect treasonous vipers against the HGIC - Head Gorilla In Charge. Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense |
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Duckk says: Spoilers. Highlight to reveal.
The SLN certainly would have charged the leaders of Beuwulf, Hypatia and a lot of other systems with treason if Harrington had not reamed the Sol system a new orifice to impose a new Consitution. But that does not make them morally or legally correct. Keep in mind that the SL was historically a very loose association more analogouse to the League of Nations and The United Nations than to the United States prior to the American Civil War. There was no provision in the US Constitution that either enabled or prohibited secession. The historic context of the Declaration of Independance encouraged the southern slave states to believe that secession was legal. There were a lot of legal scholars, including people in the Northern states who did not own slaves, who agreed with them. The issue of slavery provided the moral pretext to wage war on the secceeding states. However; it could bebargued that the real issue was that duties on the exports of cotton and tobacco from Southern slave states provided the duties on exports that funded the Federal Government. The foreign exchange generated by exports of cotton and tobacco also funded infrastructure construction in the Northern States that enabled industrialization. The Solarian League military and bureaucracy sufferred from severe constraints on funding including the prohibition on direct taxation of SL member systems. As Weber goes to great lengths to explain in many books, the protectorats administered by OFS who could and were subjected to onerous taxation had become the cash cattle that funded the SLN and and the bureaucracy. If uppity systems such as Hypatia and Beawulf were permitted to secceed from the SL, then that would set a historic and legal precedent that the Protectorate systems could also declare their independance from the SL to be liberated from onerous taxation and tyranny. We couldnt have that now could we. |
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Dauntless
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this is supposed to be a non-spolier thread.
Citha has picked up much but before his vanishing act for his hols he had not read the e-arc. I know it easy to forget but please check if a thread is spoiler or non spoiler before you post even if you think the spoiler is not big. |
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tlb
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Since this has gone unanswered, let me quote some history atcha. The Parthian Option, IMO, comes from the phrase Parthian Shot; here is what Wikipedia has to say:
Note that a parting shot is similar, but is a one time thing; while the Parthian Shot could be used in an ongoing campaign of harassment. So a Parthian Shot is a missile attack made by a retreating force. |
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cthia
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Thanks for that. Not surprised that I wasn't aware of it, since it was hidden under the correct stealthy subject of bleh history. Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense |
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Robert_A_Woodward
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Ahem. THERE WERE NO LEVIES ON USA EXPORTS! This was an explicit prohibition in the Constitution. The USA Federal government was funded by import duties. And while we are at it, there wasn't much Federal spending on infrastructure (other than coastal forts and federal armories, which the South had at least its fair share) after funding expired on the National Road around 1840. For that matter, according to numbers I remember seeing, the port of New York collected more tariffs in the 1850s than all Southern ports combined (I am including Baltimore in that list). Boston was number 2. So, I doubt that the South was paying its fair share of government expenses. Also, from what I can tell, government expenditures for infrastructure in the North was mostly done by the states (for example for the canal system after all the companies went bankrupt in the late 1830s). ----------------------------
Beowulf was bad. (first sentence of Chapter VI of _Space Viking_ by H. Beam Piper) |
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quite possibly a cat
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Hasn't Beowulf been supporting an active terrorist group that kills Solarian citizens? I'm pretty sure they've been actively supporting terrorists. So I think the answer is: Yes, its treason.
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George J. Smith
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If you are refering to the "ballroom" they mostly go after Mesans and Mesa is not part of the SL. The SL citizens that are targeted by the "ballroom" are usually slave runners, and are thus classified as pirates, so I would assume there is not treason involved in such situations. .
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saber964
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Not quite, the Audubon Ballroom does occasionally hit Solarian citizens like particularly nasty sector or planetary governors and Gendarmie Officers who protect the slave trade. Remember when Henke and Armstrong(?) were discussing how to interrogate Hongbo by threatening to have him have a chat with some "members" of the Ballroom or asking if ENS Zilwicki would be able to find some real ones. |
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Rajani Isa
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"Raging Justice" was the SL initiating conflict against the SEM. They INVADED the Manticore system. Just like they invaded Spindle. Just like they shot - without provocation or warning the ships at New Tusconay (IIRC). The last was considered piracy, and the SEM retaliated as such. Them going to NT for Byng is, alongside Lacoön II, are the only things that the SEM initiated against the SL, and only as a reaction to their aggression. Every other confrontation - every other actual battle - was initiated by the SL and the Mandarins. |
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