Point of View: Wishes and Likes

cthia wrote:

SharkHunter wrote:How about the POV from the master of the field, Lieutenant Castellaño, when Honor dueled Young?

Though wounded after diving to the side after Pavel Young's sneak attack, she still got off all of her kill shots with a dueling pistol before he got off one with a pulser.

cthia wrote:Didn't Castellaño also shoot Young, iirc?

Which irked me in a way, as Honor earned that kill alone. I understand him, it just irked me.

SharkHunter wrote:If I were a policeman and someone is shooting at my partner, I don't worry about who kills the perp. I draw, aim and put that sucker down.

Meaning that I think the Master of the Field shot Young as fast as his reflexes and need to insure a kill shot of his own allowed. Given the circumstances, I would assume that Lt. Castellano did did not expect Honor to be able to return fire at all. It's not like he could look at Honor (wounded and bleeding) out of the corner of his eye and THEN decide whether or not to fire.

fallsfromtrees wrote:Of course in retrospect, it would have been better if Honor hadn't fired, since Pavel would still be dead, shot by the Master of the Field for his violation of the rules. As it is, Honor still gets the kill. Casellano only shot a dead body, which might constitute desecration of a corpse, but doesn't count as a kill.

But of course that totally disregards the 'joy of the kill.' Honor needed to kill Young herself. For herself. It is something that she had a hard time disseminating. Enough of leaving the job for someone else to do. Far too many years of that shit, and failures of others, that Honor was fed up.

You ever watched a movie and someone says "But leave that sonofabitch for ME. He's MINE!"

Same sentiment.

crewdude48 wrote:Except, I don't think she felt she had to kill him herself. She wanted him punished for what he did, yes, but the way she did it was the only honorable way it could be done. I suspect she would have been perfectly happy if he was arrested, tried, and executed for Paul's murder, but there wasn't enough evidence for that. She had to do it the way she did because she could not allow him to get away with what he did. She has a vengeful side, but it almost never slips its reigns, and when it does, it is not loose for long.

I don't know crewdude. I'm thinking that Honor was a very scorned woman. It had all become very personal to her. She loved Paul Tankersley with her very soul. And the fact that he was related to her best friend made it even more right. Then to have Paul's execution ordered by the one man she hated more than anything? I not only think she wanted to be the one to kill him, I think she felt that it was only fitting that she, and she alone, avenge his murder.

She might would have settled for justice handling him, if justice had balls. But I do think that she wanted to kill him with her bare hands if possible. Limb by ripping limb.

If loving Paul was wrong, she didn't wanna be right.

At any rate, you make me want to reread that.

If all she wanted to do was kill Young, why did she try as hard as she did to challenge him to a duel? If I wanted to kill somebody, I would get a rifle and shoot them, preferably from where nobody would see me do it. She wanted to him to die, and she didn't discard the opportunity she had to put him down herself, but she wanted it above board and leagle.

crewdude48 wrote:If all she wanted to do was kill Young, why did she try as hard as she did to challenge him to a duel? If I wanted to kill somebody, I would get a rifle and shoot them, preferably from where nobody would see me do it. She wanted to him to die, and she didn't discard the opportunity she had to put him down herself, but she wanted it above board and leagle.

I think you answered your own question. Because shooting him in that fashion would have been a crime, and she wanted him to know who was killing him, and dueling was legal.

cthia wrote:"SharkHunter"]
How about the POV from the master of the field, Lieutenant Castellaño, when Honor dueled Young?

I completely agree. I was pointing out that things might have turned out better for her if she hadn't shot him herself - not that I hold her a fault for doing so. And very probably Grayson would have gotten completely trashed in 4th Yeltsin.

Perfectly reasonable assumption, but contemplating the political atmosphere regarding Honor at the time, I'm not so sure there would have been much difference in the final result if her challenging him resulted in his death.[/quote]

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We see in the Blackbird Assault and later with both Denver Somervale and Pavel Young, AND in Mission of Honor while Hamish is telling her of the family losses in the Yawata Strike (Oyster Bay collateral) that Honor has part of her driven self, her "monster", much like the monster in Alfred, that MUST extract the judgement

"I'll miss them," she told him again, still with that dreadful softness, "but I won't forget. I'll never forget, and one day—
one day, Hamish—we're going to find the people who did this, you and I. And when we do, the only thing I'll ask of God is
that He let them live long enough to know who's killing them."

-- Stewart

crewdude48 wrote:If all she wanted to do was kill Young, why did she try as hard as she did to challenge him to a duel? If I wanted to kill somebody, I would get a rifle and shoot them, preferably from where nobody would see me do it. She wanted to him to die, and she didn't discard the opportunity she had to put him down herself, but she wanted it above board and leagle.

She challenged him to a duel, because it was legal and she wasn't exactly self-destructive or irresponsible. And because she knew that Pavel was a coward (remember the discussion she had with Paul (in bed I think) when he taught Honor that Pavel was afraid of her?) I think she wanted him to shake in his boots and piss bullets over it, a slow torture. Which is exactly what happened since Georgia states that he was scurrying around like a frightened mouse. Especially after seeing what happened to his hired hero. She already knew what she was going to do to him - play surgeon with his gonads.

We all know Honor's buttons. You screw with Honor and you may survive it. She, personally, will turn many cheeks when she is affronted. BUT. Screw with her loved ones - her family, her lover, her crew, and Honor turns into something green and frightening. Same sentiment mirrored when she stopped the lift and threatened Hauptman about screwing with her parents. Except, it wasn't a threat. It was a promise. I knew it. You knew it. And Hauptman did too.

Same as you and I, or anyone, who if scum like Young would have killed someone we loved (especially after turning the screws on us for so long), we'd want to take matters into our own hands. Literally.

POV of the first positive conversation about humans from the cats.

<Me tell you. Two-leg kill puma from 100 meters with thunder stick>

<haha You been eating shrooms again>

<Nope. I was not high two-legs have celery and thunder stick we make friends>

<you get us celery?>

<yes>

<why didn't you just say so. In that case. Get yo bond on>

<Plus that two-leg purty>

< ...>

****** *

Which treecat was the first to perch on a shoulder?

(A POV was given in "A Beautiful Friendship")

cthia wrote:POV of the first positive conversation about humans from the cats.

<Me tell you. Two-leg kill puma from 100 meters with thunder stick>

<haha You been eating shrooms again>

<Nope. I was not high two-legs have celery and thunder stick we make friends>

<you get us celery?>

<yes>

<why didn't you just say so. In that case. Get yo bond on>

<Plus that two-leg purty>

< ...>

****** *

Which treecat was the first to perch on a shoulder?

(A POV was given in "A Beautiful Friendship")

The treecat's name for a hexapuma is Death Fang. Celery wasn't introduced until Sphinx was colonized much later after the initial survey.

IIRC it was either Swift Striker (bonded with Scott Dallan), or Climbs Quickly (bonded with Stephanie Harrington) who was the first to perch on their person's shoulder.

Vince wrote:

cthia wrote:POV of the first positive conversation about humans from the cats.

<Me tell you. Two-leg kill puma from 100 meters with thunder stick>

<haha You been eating shrooms again>

<Nope. I was not high two-legs have celery and thunder stick we make friends>

<you get us celery?>

<yes>

<why didn't you just say so. In that case. Get yo bond on>

<Plus that two-leg purty>

< ...>

****** *

Which treecat was the first to perch on a shoulder?

(A POV was given in "A Beautiful Friendship")

The treecat's name for a hexapuma is Death Fang. Celery wasn't introduced until Sphinx was colonized much later after the initial survey.

IIRC it was either Swift Striker (bonded with Scott Dallan), or Climbs Quickly (bonded with Stephanie Harrington) who was the first to perch on their person's shoulder.

Thanks Vince. Which story features that first colonization?

Scott Dallan?

Edit:
Found it. Wiki. I am so behind.

Vince wrote:

cthia wrote:POV of the first positive conversation about humans from the cats.

<Me tell you. Two-leg kill puma from 100 meters with thunder stick>

<haha You been eating shrooms again>

<Nope. I was not high two-legs have celery and thunder stick we make friends>

<you get us celery?>

<yes>

<why didn't you just say so. In that case. Get yo bond on>

<Plus that two-leg purty>

< ...>

****** *

Which treecat was the first to perch on a shoulder?

(A POV was given in "A Beautiful Friendship")

The treecat's name for a hexapuma is Death Fang. Celery wasn't introduced until Sphinx was colonized much later after the initial survey.

IIRC it was either Swift Striker (bonded with Scott Dallan), or Climbs Quickly (bonded with Stephanie Harrington) who was the first to perch on their person's shoulder.

Also, what's the deal with the caveman talk? When ever you create dialogue for a 'cat, it is always in sentence fragments. When MWW creates dialogue, either mind voice or TSL, they are as eloquent as any other character in the novels.

Vince wrote:

cthia wrote:POV of the first positive conversation about humans from the cats.

<Me tell you. Two-leg kill puma from 100 meters with thunder stick>

<haha You been eating shrooms again>

<Nope. I was not high two-legs have celery and thunder stick we make friends>

<you get us celery?>

<yes>

<why didn't you just say so. In that case. Get yo bond on>

<Plus that two-leg purty>

< ...>

****** *

Which treecat was the first to perch on a shoulder?

(A POV was given in "A Beautiful Friendship")

The treecat's name for a hexapuma is Death Fang. Celery wasn't introduced until Sphinx was colonized much later after the initial survey.

IIRC it was either Swift Striker (bonded with Scott Dallan), or Climbs Quickly (bonded with Stephanie Harrington) who was the first to perch on their person's shoulder.

crewdude48 wrote:Also, what's the deal with the caveman talk? When ever you create dialogue for a 'cat, it is always in sentence fragments. When MWW creates dialogue, either mind voice or TSL, they are as eloquent as any other character in the novels.

You are absolutely right crewdude. And I do it intentionally. Perhaps I shouldn't. My apology to the treecat character.

Why do I do it?

1. No where near as good as RFC.

2. I mentioned a while back about my niece signing with her deaf best friend who is brilliant, and reads lips like you wouldn't believe. The two of them sign so fast it's like a blur. But her own family members, parents and siblings, are unaccomplished. When humans first learn sign, they have a tendency to talk in a sort of shorthand minus certain words. My niece and I attribute it to the type communication prevalent in early chat rooms by non-accomplished typists and also in text messages. But, novices in sign language do not have a tendency to sign eloquent English. Because of their limitation of the mastery of sign language and the slowness of spelling objects. I try to show that. Perhaps erroneously, but I don't think treecats will just become experts at such a new alien form of communication, trying to communicate an alien language, English, to bespeak eloquence. Again, not as a factor of intelligence, but of novelty.

I'll try to do better in the future.