What happens to all that debris?

cthia wrote:How exactly is debris collected for reverse engineering? Is there a huge vacuum cleaner that can operate in a debris field?

Sure, they just have to get it from Spaceballs.



The password should be 1 2 3 4 5.

ThinksMarkedly wrote:

cthia wrote:How exactly is debris collected for reverse engineering? Is there a huge vacuum cleaner that can operate in a debris field?

Sure, they just have to get it from Spaceballs.



The password should be 1 2 3 4 5.

"IT's.... <gasp> MEGAMAID!"

I hope it is built like a Kirby - the best vacuum cleaner ever built. It is probably nuclear powered. But it isn't smart to be sucking debris INTO a nuclear powered device with the suction power of a Kirby.

KABOOM!

Debris raining on the planet. Pretty fireworks display though.

tlb wrote:Mostly the victors could look at captured ships or ones that had a compensator failure. I do not recall an instance of the RMN vacuuming debris in order to evaluate hardware.

Mostly mentioned in passing. I'm reading Cauldron of Ghosts right now and there was a mention that while they got most of their data from that backup module on an intact battlecruser, they got more from the debris field from the destroyed battlecruseres as they didn't get their systems wiped.

remember it being mentioned a few more times like when Haven was reverse engineering stuff from captured and destroyed units after Operation Thunderbolt

ZVar wrote:

tlb wrote:Mostly the victors could look at captured ships or ones that had a compensator failure. I do not recall an instance of the RMN vacuuming debris in order to evaluate hardware.

Mostly mentioned in passing. I'm reading Cauldron of Ghosts right now and there was a mention that while they got most of their data from that backup module on an intact battlecruser, they got more from the debris field from the destroyed battlecruseres as they didn't get their systems wiped.

remember it being mentioned a few more times like when Haven was reverse engineering stuff from captured and destroyed units after Operation Thunderbolt

Thanks Zvar. I knew I had come across it several times in storyline, but I'm sure I wouldn't have been able to find it. Since this thread, I have been wondering how locating such small pieces of technology would have been easy, when locating escape pods, which are somewhat designed to be found, is so difficult.

tlb wrote:Mostly the victors could look at captured ships or ones that had a compensator failure. I do not recall an instance of the RMN vacuuming debris in order to evaluate hardware.

ZVar wrote:Mostly mentioned in passing. I'm reading Cauldron of Ghosts right now and there was a mention that while they got most of their data from that backup module on an intact battlecruser, they got more from the debris field from the destroyed battlecruseres as they didn't get their systems wiped.

remember it being mentioned a few more times like when Haven was reverse engineering stuff from captured and destroyed units after Operation Thunderbolt

Please provide some information as to location in Cauldron of Ghosts (such as chapter of page number out of total pages), so I can see how big a piece of the ship we are talking about. If it is most of a ship that has some holes in it; then I would not that the result of vacuuming a debris field.

Wanting to know the size of the pieces recovered certainly makes sense. But I'd think that depends on the tech that was reverse engineered, and the location within or outside the ship where it existed.

What did the Peeps reverse engineer? FTL hardware would have existed on the skin of the ship, no? And large pieces of the skin you'd expect to be intact? I'm sure that depends on the type of destruction as well.

At any rate, a vacuuming process could be a huge freighter with gaping jaws matching velocities with swaths of debris. Somewhat like panning for gold, potluck.

ZVar wrote:

tlb wrote:Mostly the victors could look at captured ships or ones that had a compensator failure. I do not recall an instance of the RMN vacuuming debris in order to evaluate hardware.

Mostly mentioned in passing. I'm reading Cauldron of Ghosts right now and there was a mention that while they got most of their data from that backup module on an intact battlecruser, they got more from the debris field from the destroyed battlecruseres as they didn't get their systems wiped.

remember it being mentioned a few more times like when Haven was reverse engineering stuff from captured and destroyed units after Operation Thunderbolt

I only seem to have the eARC of Cauldron of Ghosts; but I can't find anything like you're talking about. Nothing about battlecruiser debris; nothing about backup modules; nothing even really about the remnants of any space battle.

So, like tlb, I'd be quite interested in a better pointer to exactly where this is found so I can understand it in context.

tlb wrote:Mostly the victors could look at captured ships or ones that had a compensator failure. I do not recall an instance of the RMN vacuuming debris in order to evaluate hardware.

ZVar wrote:Mostly mentioned in passing. I'm reading Cauldron of Ghosts right now and there was a mention that while they got most of their data from that backup module on an intact battlecruser, they got more from the debris field from the destroyed battlecruseres as they didn't get their systems wiped.

remember it being mentioned a few more times like when Haven was reverse engineering stuff from captured and destroyed units after Operation Thunderbolt

Jonathan_S wrote:I only seem to have the eARC of Cauldron of Ghosts; but I can't find anything like you're talking about. Nothing about battlecruiser debris; nothing about backup modules; nothing even really about the remnants of any space battle.

So, like tlb, I'd be quite interested in a better pointer to exactly where this is found so I can understand it in context.

There is the scene at the beginning of UH were they are looking through the computers of Admiral Filareta's fleet and found the communication that had sound from the flag bridge at the time of the bomb explosion. But those were captured ships in various stages of damage.

ZVar wrote:Mostly mentioned in passing. I'm reading Cauldron of Ghosts right now and there was a mention that while they got most of their data from that backup module on an intact battlecruser, they got more from the debris field from the destroyed battlecruseres as they didn't get their systems wiped.

I don't remember that in Cauldron of Ghosts, but it could be the result of the Second Battle of Congo, when the StateSec in Exile units were flying SLN ships to try and retake Verdant Vista (though the MAlign agents inside would have settled for an Eridani Edict Violation that depopulated the system). The battle happened in Torch of Freedom (CS2), but the intel from the debris could have been inspected in CS3.

remember it being mentioned a few more times like when Haven was reverse engineering stuff from captured and destroyed units after Operation Thunderbolt

I imagine especially after Operation Icarus. Haven had pods, MDMs and FTL comms during Thunderbolt, though not anywhere as sophisticated as Manty tech. Their recon drones had to transmit at light-speed to a nearby LAC, which had to stop accelerating in order to retransmit at FTL.

It was probably during Icarus that they got a lot of Manty HW to analyse. The rest is R&D. (Though note that during Icarus, there were no pod-layers or MDMs)