Honorverse ramblings and musings

When I was in the seventh grade one of my classes went on a field trip to see the USS North Carolina battleship. It was one of the most exciting field trips I experienced. Oh the goose bumps I still get. I remember, my best friend, a few others and I had already previously made plans to make our way to CIC. We must have made that trip in less than five minutes.

Just three summers ago, I took the tour again for the first time since that field trip. It turned out to be a very hot, grueling several hour tour. No water fountains aboard ship or restrooms. Our organizers had supplied water bottles for us in the seventh grade. I found out how invaluable they were to us. By the time we got deep into the bowels of the ship, we were exhausted, dehydrated and couldn't breathe. Hot is not an accurate description for being deep into the bowels of that ship on the 4th July! I can't imagine the sailors who worked in the engine room. Pics showed them working shirtless. It was unbearably hot without that behemoth of an engine throwing off heat!!! And the poor misinformed women, who wore short skirts and heels trying to climb completely vertical on a metal ladder followed closely by a male trying not to look under her skirt. Or the same short skirted women standing on an upper deck that is simply metal grating and people one deck below seeing classified under garments or lack thereof.

The second tour was completely different than the first as I remember it. But the arrival at CIC proved to be just as exciting. You feel powerful. Turn the ship on, let's set her out to sea!!!

I am so looking forward to the Honorverse CIC.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/55f.htm
http://www.virhistory.com/navy/ships/bb55-cic.htm

Aside:
Missing from the pics are the location of ships shown on a huge board peered thru a cutout from CIC, outside on the deck of the ship. They were just toy-like models moved by a huge pointer by hand. Very interesting the advances in CIC even now, much less on a Superdreadnaught.

Women, if you ever tour the USS North Carolina, dress extremely comfortably, without short skirts or heels. Take plenty of water. Pace yourself, but remember, no restrooms. A trip to the restroom requires backtracking several hours of touring, through people.

I beieve that this story is also told in "House of Steel in the section on the history of Grayson.

Don

Weird Harold wrote:
That wiki says nothing about divorce and I can find no reference to her husband or descendants in the Masadan Hierarchy. I don't know of any religion that bars widows from remarriage -- assuming they let widows survive the husband, that is.

Yes, I know Harold. That was my point. There was no mention of a divorce, so I wondered how it was handled. You may be right about the letter of the law as far as religion is concerned with widows. But some religions do frown upon divorce, spurred on by Mark 10:9. And even some widowed women I know refuse to remarry because of a personal religious belief.

cthia wrote:Yes, I know Harold. That was my point. There was no mention of a divorce, so I wondered how it was handled.

If she was a widow, there would be no question of divorce. Wedding vows are "'Til Death us do part" and widows have been "parted" from their spouse--the vows have been fulfilled.


Personal commitments beyond the death of a spouse are not a part of religious doctrine -- except for the practice of Suttee, which isn't a part of CoHU doctrine.

Whether Steadholder Bancroft died in the civil war or was banished and declared legally deceased, Barbara was bound only by Grayson doctrine and secular law. I would expect that all of the legal details were taken care of before she became Barbara Mayhew.

Weird Harold wrote:

cthia wrote:Yes, I know Harold. That was my point. There was no mention of a divorce, so I wondered how it was handled.

If she was a widow, there would be no question of divorce. Wedding vows are "'Til Death us do part" and widows have been "parted" from their spouse--the vows have been fulfilled.


Personal commitments beyond the death of a spouse are not a part of religious doctrine -- except for the practice of Suttee, which isn't a part of CoHU doctrine.

Whether Steadholder Bancroft died in the civil war or was banished and declared legally deceased, Barbara was bound only by Grayson doctrine and secular law. I would expect that all of the legal details were taken care of before she became Barbara Mayhew.

But he didn't die. Not that I'm aware of. Therefore she wasn't a widow. Hence my concern. But crewdude supplied the missing link to my understanding...

crewdude48 wrote:
Well, the Faithful were banished off of the face of Grayson. I know in 1400's France and Spain, a person who was banished was considered legally dead within their original country. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar was put into law on Grayson by Benjamin the Great, if only to make cleanup after the war that much easier.

King James
Mark 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

This could be taken to mean that nuclear fission is against the dictates of christianity...
After all, it relies on splitting the atom...

Michael Everett wrote:

King James
Mark 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

This could be taken to mean that nuclear fission is against the dictates of christianity...
After all, it relies on splitting the atom...

Oh, for...

That is not how the Bible works.

Michael Everett wrote:

King James
Mark 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

This could be taken to mean that nuclear fission is against the dictates of christianity...
After all, it relies on splitting the atom...

I suppose so if taken out of context. But that chapter in the Bible is quite clear.

Forgive me of my Barbara Bancroft kick. But the woman is rather fascinating.

Barbara Bancroft was revered as a heroine of Grayson, being called the Mother of Grayson, while she was called the Harlot of Satan by the Faithful. They made Bancroft the living example of their Doctrine of the Second Fall. Some on Grayson even compared her to the Lady of the Lake, a mythological figure. (HH2)

I always thought the Lady of the Lake was just myth as well, with no chance of truth. Then I stumble upon this. The old adage, there's always a little truth in legend?...

Claimed locations of the Lake: Wikipedia
A number of locations in Great Britain are traditionally associated with the Lady of the Lake's abode. They include Dozmary Pool, Llyn Llydaw, Llyn Ogwen, The Loe, Pomparles Bridge, Loch Arthur, and Aleines. In France, she is associated with the forest of Brocéliande.

cthia wrote:But he didn't die. Not that I'm aware of. Therefore she wasn't a widow. Hence my concern. But crewdude supplied the missing link to my understanding...

There is no mention of him or his descendants in any of the books. No mention of his death, true, but other than a LAC named for him, no mention at all, which is contrary to expectations for a prominent leader of the Faithful.

I can't say whether he died or not, but there's no trace of him in the books after Barbara's defection.