Future Space Lords

The Third Space Lord was a member of the Lords of Admiralty that controlled the Royal Manticoran Navy, in charge of the Bureau of Ships.


No idea. After Oyster Bay, I imagine many of the most senior and experienced candidates are already dead, so they may have to dig down for one here. I could see pulling in someone from the RHN or Beowulf's SDF here more easily than for a lot of other cases, assuming Grayson is equally hard-up for senior officers with relevant experience who could serve on loan. Shannon Foraker's Bolthole experience would serve the GA in good stead here, and it'd likely put her in a good position still to use her idea-hamster superpowers for Good.

Unless politics and rules have changed a lot. The Manticorian Space Lord positions are open only yo Manticore officers. Beowulf isn't a part of the SEM and the RH isn't either. The Grand Alliance is not a merging of those star nations, it's just an alliance. As far as I know the nations in it still have and will maintain their own economic, military and political independence. So naval officers from those navies won't be eligible for being a Manticorian Space lord unless they become Manticore citizens.

Zakharra wrote:

The Third Space Lord was a member of the Lords of Admiralty that controlled the Royal Manticoran Navy, in charge of the Bureau of Ships.


No idea. After Oyster Bay, I imagine many of the most senior and experienced candidates are already dead, so they may have to dig down for one here. I could see pulling in someone from the RHN or Beowulf's SDF here more easily than for a lot of other cases, assuming Grayson is equally hard-up for senior officers with relevant experience who could serve on loan. Shannon Foraker's Bolthole experience would serve the GA in good stead here, and it'd likely put her in a good position still to use her idea-hamster superpowers for Good.

Unless politics and rules have changed a lot. The Manticorian Space Lord positions are open only yo Manticore officers. Beowulf isn't a part of the SEM and the RH isn't either. The Grand Alliance is not a merging of those star nations, it's just an alliance. As far as I know the nations in it still have and will maintain their own economic, military and political independence. So naval officers from those navies won't be eligible for being a Manticorian Space lord unless they become Manticore citizens.

Granted. This speculation is based on things being so bad and so far outside normal operating procedures that the RMN would accept loaner officers from an allied navy even in the Admiralty itself. I don't think anyone is supposing the suggestion isn't way out there.

Zakharra wrote:

The Third Space Lord was a member of the Lords of Admiralty that controlled the Royal Manticoran Navy, in charge of the Bureau of Ships.


No idea. After Oyster Bay, I imagine many of the most senior and experienced candidates are already dead, so they may have to dig down for one here. I could see pulling in someone from the RHN or Beowulf's SDF here more easily than for a lot of other cases, assuming Grayson is equally hard-up for senior officers with relevant experience who could serve on loan. Shannon Foraker's Bolthole experience would serve the GA in good stead here, and it'd likely put her in a good position still to use her idea-hamster superpowers for Good.

Unless politics and rules have changed a lot. The Manticorian Space Lord positions are open only yo Manticore officers. Beowulf isn't a part of the SEM and the RH isn't either. The Grand Alliance is not a merging of those star nations, it's just an alliance. As far as I know the nations in it still have and will maintain their own economic, military and political independence. So naval officers from those navies won't be eligible for being a Manticorian Space lord unless they become Manticore citizens.

JeffEngel wrote:Granted. This speculation is based on things being so bad and so far outside normal operating procedures that the RMN would accept loaner officers from an allied navy even in the Admiralty itself. I don't think anyone is supposing the suggestion isn't way out there.

Far far outside normal operating procedures. And much outside the umbrella of any existing contingency plans.

The MALign couldn't possibly plan such success. It could only have been delivered to them by that miscreant demon Murphy.

But it got me to thinking. Manticore has a habit of grooming officers for flag rank. Why not also groom them for key Space Lord slots? Or does certain officer posts serve in that capacity?

Who was Hemphill's assistant? Surely someone worked closely with her. It seems foolish not to have others who could fill key Space Lord roles.

Edit:
It seems that all key slots should have an understudy. But perhaps OPSEC would prevent that.

jchilds wrote:Cthia - given that HAMISH would be the First Space Lord that dies (currently), I doubt Honor would in any way let herself be shuffled off a flag deck until she had done something memorable (as in "people will tremble at their fate for a thousand years" memorable)to the people responsible if it happened. She can be a little determined on occasion, after all.

For Seventh Space Lord, the RMN could do worse than either Alfred Harrington (if they managed to recall him) or Fritz Montoya (if someone's feeling a little sadistic in a "good" way)

Um, Hamish isn't a Space Lord - he's First Lord of the Admiralty. Basically, Secretary of Defense (although, it really is more of War right now).

Capareli is First Space Lord.

I would suggest Anton Zilwicki for BuShips.

Victor Cachat for BuPlan would be a hoot......

cthia wrote:Edit:
It seems that all key slots should have an understudy. But perhaps OPSEC would prevent that.

Well, GOOD OpSec wouldn't. Rather the opposite. And the word you want is "deputy" vs "understudy"...unless we are talking about the movie.

dreamrider

JeffEngel wrote:

Zakharra wrote:[quote The Third Space Lord was a member of the Lords of Admiralty that controlled the Royal Manticoran Navy, in charge of the Bureau of Ships.


No idea. After Oyster Bay, I imagine many of the most senior and experienced candidates are already dead, so they may have to dig down for one here. I could see pulling in someone from the RHN or Beowulf's SDF here more easily than for a lot of other cases, assuming Grayson is equally hard-up for senior officers with relevant experience who could serve on loan. Shannon Foraker's Bolthole experience would serve the GA in good stead here, and it'd likely put her in a good position still to use her idea-hamster superpowers for Good.

Unless politics and rules have changed a lot. The Manticorian Space Lord positions are open only yo Manticore officers. Beowulf isn't a part of the SEM and the RH isn't either. The Grand Alliance is not a merging of those star nations, it's just an alliance. As far as I know the nations in it still have and will maintain their own economic, military and political independence. So naval officers from those navies won't be eligible for being a Manticorian Space lord unless they become Manticore citizens.

Granted. This speculation is based on things being so bad and so far outside normal operating procedures that the RMN would accept loaner officers from an allied navy even in the Admiralty itself. I don't think anyone is supposing the suggestion isn't way out there.[/quote]


True, but if they were that desperate to find new Space Lords they were looking at the officers in nations outside of the SEM, then the SEM would have to have pretty much lost any war because that would mean their vaunted RN has been nearly completely wiped out and most of the enlisted and officer crop dead.

I can think of situations historically where EVOLVING small nations have done something like this to found their navies, or ramp them up to their first significant conflict...

...but cannot think of any examples where established or even severely declining navies have resorted to such measures.

It just doesn't scan.

dreamrider

dreamrider wrote:I can think of situations historically where EVOLVING small nations have done something like this to found their navies, or ramp them up to their first significant conflict...

...but cannot think of any examples where established or even severely declining navies have resorted to such measures.

It just doesn't scan.

dreamrider

It's really, really extreme. But the posited situation is really, really extreme too. This is a native environment for the wild-assed guess.

The guessing is especially wild here because most of these positions are likely to be filled by fairly senior officers with predominantly staff experience, and we don't see so many of those in the books. They're there, of course, but the narrative point-of-view focuses on the people killed in the Meeting of Doom and officers out in space. So very few people we know are likely candidates, and when it comes to making some guess, we're often driven far afield to hit someone we do know.

I've always been confused over the difference between First Space/Sea Lord and First Lord of the Admiralty. Why aren't they the same thing? I just looked them up on Wikipedia and am only more confused, as it says there wasn't always a First Lord of the Admiralty because sometimes it was "in commission." Wouldn't that mean... it existed? Do they mean "in abeyance?"

Sorry, I know that doesn't really have anything to do with the Honorverse, but still -- what are the First, Second, etc Lords of the Admiralty, and how are they related, or not, to the First, Second etc Space Lords? The Space Lords are admirals, which... does not make them Lords of the Admiralty?

And what early RMN officer was so enamored of ancient Terran naval history that she decided to mirror so many RN traditions, anyway? Some descendant of RunsForCelery, no doubt.