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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by SWM   » Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:16 pm

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Jonathan_S wrote:Are you sure? Do you happen to recall where that was pointed out?

I remember the risks of attempting to exit hyper within the limit being laid out. (outer 20% no damage but remain in hyper; inner 80% destruction of the ship).
And I remember the risk of attempting to enter hyper while moving faster that 0.3c (destruction of ship)

But I can't seem to recall discussion of attempting to use a hyper generator while inside in n-space but within the hyper limit...

You're right, it is not explicitly stated in the text. That was always how I interpreted it, though; I assumed it worked the same way entering or exiting hyperspace.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by Armed Neo-Bob   » Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:55 pm

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SWM, and Jonathan_S,

here is the .3c limit; maybe there was something brought up in AAC(?) maybe when the author went into the risks of the resonance zone. Or maybe it was when Hali Sowle lost its generator? Anyway, as you said, it is mostly implied.
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The Universe of Honor Harrington wrote:
The interface between normal and hyper-space was speed-critical, for if velocity at hyper translation exceeded .3 c, the translating starship was destroyed. In addition, a hypership had to reach the hyper limit of a star's gravity well before it could enter hyper, and the hyper limit varies with the spectral class of the star, as shown in Figure 1.

The original hyper drive was a man-killer. The casualty figures over the first fifty years of hyper travel were daunting. Worse, vessels which were destroyed were lost with all hands, which left no record of their fates and thus offered no clue as to the causes of their destruction. Eventually, however, it was determined that most had probably been lost to one of two phenomena, which became known as "grav shear" (see below) and "dimensional shear" (violent energy turbulence separating hyper bands from one another).
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by kzt   » Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:13 pm

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No, if you time it just right, activating the hyperdrive will destroy your ship. I can't remember if it entering or exiting, but one of them has a zone inside the hyperlimit where really bad thing happen.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by n7axw   » Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:11 pm

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kzt wrote:No, if you time it just right, activating the hyperdrive will destroy your ship. I can't remember if it entering or exiting, but one of them has a zone inside the hyperlimit where really bad thing happen.


I thought that ressonance zones applied to wormholes rather than normal gravity wells such as stars and planets... Am I wrong?

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by SWM   » Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:55 pm

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n7axw wrote:
kzt wrote:No, if you time it just right, activating the hyperdrive will destroy your ship. I can't remember if it entering or exiting, but one of them has a zone inside the hyperlimit where really bad thing happen.


I thought that ressonance zones applied to wormholes rather than normal gravity wells such as stars and planets... Am I wrong?

Don

No, kzt is remembering the explanation David gave of transiting from hyperspace to normal space, which Jonathan_S referred to up above. According to David, a ship exiting hyperspace to normal space closer than 80% of the hyper limit will be destroyed, if between 80% and 100% of the hyper limit will simply bounce (possibly with damage), and outside the hyper limit will succeed.

David Weber was specifically referring to going from hyperspace to normal space, and the question is whether it also applies in the other direction. I have always assumed that it applies in both directions, but we do not have infodump or textev except that you must be outside the hyper limit to go from normal space to hyperspace.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by cthia   » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:39 am

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In Honor's own branch of the Church of Humanity Unchained in her own steading, is it given who its Reverend is?

Is it likely that Honor would, or should, open a branch of her own personal denomination in her steading?

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by cthia   » Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:00 am

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I can see the technology of the streak drive being adopted in the Honorverse if its secrets are ever obtained, but what of the spider drive? Will the Honorverse eventually say goodbye to its current drive technology?

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by SWM   » Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:20 am

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cthia wrote:I can see the technology of the streak drive being adopted in the Honorverse if its secrets are ever obtained, but what of the spider drive? Will the Honorverse eventually say goodbye to its current drive technology?

Say goodbye? No. The spider drive is a specialty drive. The low acceleration, and lack of protection by wedge and sidewalls, makes it unsuitable for general use. The spider drive is only useful on stealth ships. It has no advantages over the impeller except for stealth, and numerous disadvantages.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by Jonathan_S   » Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:29 pm

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SWM wrote:
cthia wrote:I can see the technology of the streak drive being adopted in the Honorverse if its secrets are ever obtained, but what of the spider drive? Will the Honorverse eventually say goodbye to its current drive technology?

Say goodbye? No. The spider drive is a specialty drive. The low acceleration, and lack of protection by wedge and sidewalls, makes it unsuitable for general use. The spider drive is only useful on stealth ships. It has no advantages over the impeller except for stealth, and numerous disadvantages.

To expand on that; it appears to take up more volume than a normal impeller drive. So even if you wanted to build a ship too large for a compensator to be useful for you'd still want to use conventional alpha and beta nodes. But if you had access to the MAlign's super grav plates you could use them with such a wedge powered ship to get a bit better accel out of it.

But even there there doesn't seem to be demand for ships much greater than 8 mtons; so even the supergrav plates seem a solution in search of a problem (except if you need the stealthy but slow acceleration of a spider drive.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by Weird Harold   » Sat Aug 08, 2015 1:59 pm

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Jonathan_S wrote:To expand on that; it appears to take up more volume than a normal impeller drive.


Are you confusing Streak and Spider drives? there is textev that the Streak hyperdrive is larger than a conventional hyperdrive. I don't know of any such textev regarding the size requirements for a Spider drive.
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