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Re: Back from LA with Honorverse move news
Post by runsforcelery   » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:46 pm

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clancy688 wrote:
runsforcelery wrote:It will be in 3-D and it will be a cinematic release, not made-for-TV.

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Ninety minutes is the target for the first screenplay, because they always grow. I'm anticipating that the final movie will actually be in the 2-hour range.


Wow! That's great news. :)

Thank you for this information. (And I certainly hope for some "real" 3D-camera action instead of upconverting - but apparently, Evergreen Films has some connections to James Cameron, therefore... one can hope :D )



To the best of my knowledge, Evergreen has no connection with Cameron. Nor --- having seen samples of their work --- does Evergreen need the connection to do some incredible work.


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Re: Back from LA with Honorverse move news
Post by Launian   » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:52 am

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I literally can't describe how excited I am! Even if all those games and GN and whatnot are going to make me a very poor man (what with all the new games that are coming at the end of this year and the next one) :D

I know there'll be things that piss me off when the movie finally comes out, but for now, the only thing I want to say is that it's such a great pleasure to see an author so mindfull of its fanbase that would actually give us a personal briefing on such early development talks. And then you come to the forums and actually awnser to all the dumb and not-so-dumb questions we have... It's just priceless. That, and the fact that you didn't pull a Foraker on us and just said "Oops, forgot to mention we might change some things" at premiere day. Knowing the kind of challenge the movie will be facing, it is not an easy thing to run the risk of allienating your fanbase by telling us that things as crucial as Honor and Nimitz' physical relationship will change. Seriously, thank you for being so forthcoming.

Now, I guess it's time to start thinking about who would be perfect to fill the roles of everyone involved in HotQ. And in that note, I'd ask you to choose someone people really hate for Alistair's role, or there'll be hell to pay when we get to AAC.

Again, thank you for the update. Will be waiting the interview :)
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Re: Back from LA with Honorverse move news
Post by Spacekiwi   » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:56 am

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If they film in HFR, and 3d, I cant wait to see how cool it looks! :)
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Re: Back from LA with Honorverse move news
Post by namelessfly   » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:38 am

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I would suggest barrowing a very brief scene from Service of the Sword

Have a very young, Abigail Hearnes standing on the balcony of her house with her dater. They are watching as a Manticoran CA cammanded by a woman fights a BC twice her mass. The numerous, staccato fusion explosions visible to them (actually would not be given the range but I will eagerly concede Weber poetic license on this to convey the sense of imminent threat) inspire Abby to tell her Steadholder father that she wants to be a Naval Captain someday.
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Re: Back from LA with Honorverse move news
Post by 61Cygni   » Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:25 am

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Scuffles wrote:
runsforcelery wrote:Prolong is going to be a problem and — at present — Evergreen is definitely planning on keeping it. Finding an actress in her 20s with the gravitas to play a starship captain in her mid-40s is going to be a nontrivial challenge. And it will also be a nontrivial challenge to do the number of movies they're hoping for without the aging of the characters becoming a factor. Like a lot of things in life, the best you can do is the best you can do, and that's what Evergreen intends to do. The very best they can.


Prolong was one of the other things I was wondering about for sure. It seems that you're going to have to find at least a handful of fairly young actors / actresses to get across the point of just how young some prolong recipients can look at times.


Prolong, especially the 3rd-gen variety, will indeed be one of the major issues. It might be best for it to be modified somewhat, "relax" the ages upward so the cast can be in their 20's and 30's and even 40's so it isn't quite so visually severe. Seriously, having ships crewed by adults who look like "a bunch of teenagers" is going to have credibility problems with the general masses. The fans of course will understand, but the uninitiated will most lkely think it to be silly, i.e. "teens in space". I applaud Evergreen for wanting to include prolong, but it might be one of those things that works far better in written form than a visual one.
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Re: Back from LA with Honorverse move news
Post by gamarus   » Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:27 am

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Hu, never thought of that: How far away can one distinguish a warhead detonation with the naked eye?


namelessfly wrote:I would suggest barrowing a very brief scene from Service of the Sword

Have a very young, Abigail Hearnes standing on the balcony of her house with her dater. They are watching as a Manticoran CA cammanded by a woman fights a BC twice her mass. The numerous, staccato fusion explosions visible to them (actually would not be given the range but I will eagerly concede Weber poetic license on this to convey the sense of imminent threat) inspire Abby to tell her Steadholder father that she wants to be a Naval Captain someday.
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Re: Back from LA with Honorverse move news
Post by kzt   » Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:38 pm

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gamarus wrote:Hu, never thought of that: How far away can one distinguish a warhead detonation with the naked eye?

That's a question for the resident astronomer.
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Re: Back from LA with Honorverse move news
Post by Jeroswen   » Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:48 pm

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Hutch wrote:Just a couple of thoughts:

One, while like the rest I agree with the HotQ being a better choice, there is no reason they can't borrow something of the spirit of OBS--which was a new captain with a crew that could have gone either way (good or bad) and how they came together under her leadership (and it might not be a bad idea to start with McKeon as her exec, rather than Troubador's commander, to establish the dynamic from OBS). Just a thought.

Two, whoever plays the role and whatever the scriptwriter writes, I would recommend that they memorize these words from one Lieutenant Commander Samuel Houston Webster spoken in the SVW:

"In that case, Admiral, all I can say is that she's the best," he said finally. "We had some serious problems when they banished us to Basilisk, and the Captain— well, she dealt with them, Sir, and I never heard her raise her voice once while she did it. You know what Basilisk Station used to be like, and we weren't exactly the best crew anyone ever gave a captain, either. Not when we arrived. But, by God, Admiral, we were when we left!"

.....

"The Captain gets the best out of her people—sometimes more than they ever guessed they could give—and I don't really think it's anything she does. It's who she is, Sir. You trust her. You know she'll never let you down, and when the shit hits the fan, you know she'll get you out of it if anyone can. I'm a com officer, not a tac specialist, but I saw enough in Basilisk to realize how good she really is. I don't know if you've been briefed on just how BuShips butchered our armament, Admiral, but we were so far out of our league it was pitiful. We all knew that from the start, but the Captain took us in anyway. The Peeps smashed us into a wreck, Sir—three-quarters of our people were dead or wounded, but she kept right on coming, and somehow she took them out. I don't know if anyone else could have done it, but she did."

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"We blamed her for getting us sent to Basilisk when we first arrived. It wasn't her fault, but that didn't change the way we felt, and it showed. But by the time it all broke loose, we would have followed her into Hell. In fact, I guess that's just about what we did . . . and we'd do it again."



Because that is the Honor I for one want to see portrayed.



In the spirit of a good debate I will have to respectfully disagree on this point. Muddling with the story will have repercussions elsewhere if you do this. The ship and crew she has is because of what she went through at Basilisk. Giving her a fresh crew and moving McKeon around don't accomplish anything and then ruins a plot point later on when Troubadour is taken out by the Battlecruiser and she thinks McKeon has died.

I see what you are going for but that scene will be accomplished by the female lieutenant talking with Scotty Tremaine about her experiences with the Graysons. I don't have the textev handy to get an exact name but you remember the scene I am sure.

Anyway I would be against trying to mix the two stories. The story is great as it stands and enough references can be made to Basilisk, to fill in the gaps that need filling. As a great engineer once said "The more you overtink the valves the easier it is to stop up the drain."
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Re: Back from LA with Honorverse move news
Post by Dr. Arroway   » Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:55 pm

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About the prolong issue.
I think it could be a strong point if handled right. Because sure, the masses need to get what they expect and everything, but often we see even the "sure success recipes" fail, while surprising original movies go big.

What I'd do:

1. Yes, "relax" prolong a bit if needed, but remember that it can work both ways: you can declare more time has passed between each "installation" than what is stated in the books.

2. Go indeed for very young actors in the required roles. "We" need to be daring here. The issue can even be emphasized in the trailers (yes, I'm already thinking about trailers! :D ). After all, it's a key component in the relations with Grayson. There's an opportunity to let the audience feel the same bewilderment that the Grayson themselves are supposed to experience.
I'd call that a golden opportunity to bring the themes of the book on screen.

3. Pick a VERY young actress for Honor. Don't demand too much in terms of physical resemblance to the book "version". It's ultimately unimportant: it's Honor's soul that must be portrayed faithfully.
Of course, she can't be ugly, and if she's tall, all the better. But - at the end of day - we don't absolutely need her to have an Asian descent or anything else in particular.
Again, we need a leap of faith here: an unknown who can own the part would be the best option for me.

Anyway, VERY happy to see it moving, and to hear it'll start with HotQ. Actually I was hoping that would be the case ;)
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Re: Back from LA with Honorverse move news
Post by Star Knight   » Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:58 pm

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kzt wrote:
gamarus wrote:Hu, never thought of that: How far away can one distinguish a warhead detonation with the naked eye?

That's a question for the resident astronomer.

In universe, not really. Its mentioned in AoV that Abigail Hearns watched the Second Battle of Yeltsin from her fathers balcony.

Dr. Arroway wrote:About the prolong issue.
I think it could be a strong point if handled right. Because sure, the masses need to get what they expect and everything, but often we see even the "sure success recipes" fail, while surprising original movies go big.
Yes, finally someone who recognizes this.
Prolong is an aspect that can distinguish the movie from other space opera works.
You need something like that if you want to sell the audience on a kingdom fighting a republic over a bunch of crazy religious people twothousand years from now.
Luckily, apart from Star Wars and Star Trek, there isnt Happening much in the genre at the moment and this could actually do pretty well in the wake of especially Star Wars.

Anyway, using prolong doesnt doesnt necessarily mean putting 13 year olds on screen or something (just have prolong hit a little bit later) but go for late teens and early twenties. It will work, as long as its done seriously.
Look at the first new Star Trek movie. Young cast and lots of bs going on but they did make it work (movie was shite IMO but lets not go there). Starship Troopers (yes, i know the book was better)also got it right.
You want to jump on that bandwagon - young people doing serious military stuff isnt new but its still uncommon enough to rise interest.
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